nj + pdx + dallas

[haschel cedricson]

Does Brandon Bass's last name rhyme with "ass" or "face"?

This is very important.

[Fitz303]

LOL.. "ass"

[Mr Odd]

You guys remind me of Beavis & Butthead.. .

In the best way possible!!

[UGotThrilled]

I definitely have my doubts about this deal, mostly because of how good I think Outlaw could become. I think we agree that with Rudy over here next year, Jack is basically out of a job. With Oden back, Center minutes are all used up between Oden and Joel, and Aldridge should be taking 35 min at pf, so Frye would have about 13 min at pf, moving Outlaw to sf, which might not be his best position anymore. We are doing pretty well there, especially now that Martell has demonstrated off-season work ethic.

I dont think that Frye and Jack are going to ever be great. They will improve some, but I think they are reasonably close to their ceiling. Outlaw could be really special. His athleticism, and his impossible to block jumper make him a tough player to stop.

Personally I havent seen much of either Brandon Bass or Devin Harris, but it sounds to me like Harris may be a better fit than many people are giving him credit for. His defense alone makes him very appealing, as it is one of the problems the Blazers frequently faced. He is not a bad shooter, and from what I have heard, it sounds like he can move without the ball well. I am not totally sold, but I see where this could end up working well.

[sabi]

do it

[Pattycakes]

For me, if it's Martell, you do it and don't look back. If it's Travis, it's a no.

Brandon Bass can more than adequately hold down Channing's production off the bench, and Devin vs. Jarrett? Not even worthy of discussion.

For the very limited role Martell gives us, we could find higher percentages and steady production pretty easily in someone else.

Travis is putting it all together, there's absolutely no way he gets included.

[Mr Odd]

Pritchard needs to go after this.
Teams around the Blazers are
getting better. Today the Lakers
moved forward bigtime and the
Blazers do not want to be left
behind. Even with Oden this team
needs some more good players!!
If you can get Harris without losing
Outlaw, you do it & you do it fast!!

[Spykes]

Pritchard needs to go after this.
Teams around the Blazers are
getting better. Today the Lakers
moved forward bigtime and the
Blazers do not want to be left
behind. Even with Oden this team
needs some more good players!!
If you can get Harris without losing
Outlaw, you do it & you do it fast!!

While I agree that we should do the deal (if we can get Harris without giving up Outlaw), but I don't think it's a necessity because other teams are getting better right now. Even with our successes this year, we're still being built for the future, not this season.

[Wizenheimer]

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While I agree that we should do the deal (if we can get Harris without giving up Outlaw), but I don't think it's a necessity because other teams are getting better right now. Even with our successes this year, we're still being built for the future, not this season.

and considering oden won't have played for 18 months and fermadez...if he's here...will almost certainly need a season to adjust...it probably means they aren't really built for next season either

[Mr Odd]

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While I agree that we should do the deal (if we can get Harris without giving up Outlaw), but I don't think it's a necessity because other teams are getting better right now. Even with our successes this year, we're still being built for the future, not this season.

Yea, that is very true. The team is still very young
and you dont want to do a trade just because other
teams are, but at the same time this team does need
a lot of help. Even once Oden is playing and Rudy is
here, the Blazers are still going to have to get one or
two more good players and theres really no point in
waiting. I know Pritchard has this FA plan but if theres
a chance to get a good player thru a trade without rippin'
the core of the Blazers up, then you go for it & do a trade.

Ok, game on!! GO BLAZERS

[Spykes]

Here's the latest on the proposed 3 way trade...

From ESPN:

Sources insist, furthermore, that the Mavs' concern is not that the Lakers look so formidable on paper now but whether they can find a way to acquire Kidd without decimating their team. Dallas is resigned to the fact that it will have to part with Devin Harris if it wants Kidd. Harder for them to accept is the notion that getting Kidd might also mean parting with Jerry Stackhouse and one or two key big men: Brandon Bass and/or DeSegana Diop.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime? ... -080202-03

From SI.com:

Is there any truth to those rumors about a three-way trade involving the Nets, Mavs and Blazers? Dallas would get Kidd, New Jersey would get Jerry Stackhouse, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye (as well as draft picks), and Portland would get Devin Harris and Brandon Bass. What do you think?
-- E. Dean, Washington, D.C.

I've heard various forms of this deal for days now (e.g., with Sergio Rodriguez as one possibility, instead of Outlaw), and I can't help but be skeptical. It smells like something floated by the Nets to drive up Kidd's price. When I asked one Western Conference general manager about it, he just laughed. He said he seriously doubted that the Blazers would do anything to disrupt their chemistry right now. Jack and Outlaw have been huge off the bench for Portland. Meanwhile, Steve Blake has been effective as a high-assist, low-turnover starting point guard. Harris is a rising star, but he also has a five-year, $43 contract extension that will kick in next season. Maybe Portland does something like this after the season, but not right now.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... 1/mailbag/

If there is a version of this trade without Outlaw in it, I say get it done! I understand not wanting to disrupt chemistry during the season, but let's face facts here, the team hasn't been playing great basketball for the past few weeks now. A temporary disrupt in chemistry for a longterm solution at PG is well worth it.

[Fitz303]

Here's the latest on the proposed 3 way trade...

From ESPN:

Sources insist, furthermore, that the Mavs' concern is not that the Lakers look so formidable on paper now but whether they can find a way to acquire Kidd without decimating their team. Dallas is resigned to the fact that it will have to part with Devin Harris if it wants Kidd. Harder for them to accept is the notion that getting Kidd might also mean parting with Jerry Stackhouse and one or two key big men: Brandon Bass and/or DeSegana Diop.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime? ... -080202-03

From SI.com:

Is there any truth to those rumors about a three-way trade involving the Nets, Mavs and Blazers? Dallas would get Kidd, New Jersey would get Jerry Stackhouse, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye (as well as draft picks), and Portland would get Devin Harris and Brandon Bass. What do you think?
-- E. Dean, Washington, D.C.

I've heard various forms of this deal for days now (e.g., with Sergio Rodriguez as one possibility, instead of Outlaw), and I can't help but be skeptical. It smells like something floated by the Nets to drive up Kidd's price. When I asked one Western Conference general manager about it, he just laughed. He said he seriously doubted that the Blazers would do anything to disrupt their chemistry right now. Jack and Outlaw have been huge off the bench for Portland. Meanwhile, Steve Blake has been effective as a high-assist, low-turnover starting point guard. Harris is a rising star, but he also has a five-year, $43 contract extension that will kick in next season. Maybe Portland does something like this after the season, but not right now.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/w ... 1/mailbag/

If there is a version of this trade without Outlaw in it, I say get it done! I understand not wanting to disrupt chemistry during the season, but let's face facts here, the team hasn't been playing great basketball for the past few weeks now. A temporary disrupt in chemistry for a longterm solution at PG is well worth it.

+1 Spykes youre getting my hopes up again as they were just starting to slowly fade.. I really hope this goes happens

[Mr Odd]

I really hope this deal goes thru without giving up Outlaw.

I think it helps all teams at different stages.

I think it would put he Mavs over the Lakers with Kidd.
Mavs need to win now, not later and Kidd would help that.

NJ finally gets a team and not just a few good guys.

Blazers give up some young guys but get a true starting PG
and some rebounding help which they need very badly.. .

[Billy]

I'm still holding out hope that Portland is able to swing something for him. I know that it's been argued that Harris isn't that special or whatever, but I tend to disagree. I think he'd be a great fit and he's certainly better than any PG's currently on Portland's roster.

The Lakers recent move no doubt will have the Mav's thinking about that window.

[Fitz303]

How could you not want this guy??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vFuM0yRHmw <---LOL

[ppp000]

Some other "sources" saying Mavs are not dealing Harris (news from today):

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/ "The Mavs aren't dealing Harris. Period."

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2008/0 ... _kidd.html
"In Portland, when asked whether his team might get into a three-way deal involving the Nets' prodigal son, general manager Kevin Pritchard reportedly rolled his eyes. "I like the team we have now," he said.


In Dallas, Avery Johnson quashed any thoughts of making a move; and though no one believed him because his owner has his fingers in everything, Mark Cuban himself warned a reporter to "step away from the crack dealer" when a Devin Harris-Kidd swap was suggested.....

"I would certainly hope you would get a young, real good prospect back as part of any deal you make for a franchise type of player," the Nets president said last night in Miami.

Harris? Josh Howard? Jordan Farmar?

Not available -- period.

One general manager, who requested anonymity so as not to interfere in Nets business, said it basically boils down to these facts :

"Kidd is 35 (next month), and he makes $20 million, and his team is pressured to get him out of there," the GM said bluntly. "The same thing happened for them last year, when he was 34 and making $17 million. It didn't happen for them last year. So why would it happen one year later?"

Too many varying "sources" out there.

[mojomarc]

How could you not want this guy??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vFuM0yRHmw <---LOL

OK. I'm sold now.

[Walton'sBeard!]

Quick question

I have not read the thread, but I am not clear on something. When I compare Jack and Harris they seem very similar. Same size, same age, they put up similar numbers when starting (Jack: 12 pts, 5.3 ast, 45% FG and Harris: 14.4 pts, 5.3 ast, 48% FG). They also seem to have the same strengths and weaknesses. I admit, I have not paid close attention to Harris over the past few years. Can someone explain why it would be worth trading Jack plus other assets to get someone so similar to Jack?

[Goldbum]

Because Harris is the single best defensive PG in the League riht now. He also is a one man fast break and I believe was either 1st or second in drwing charges last year. Comparing Harris to Jack is Like comparing LMA to Eddy Curry.

[Goldbum]

^^^ Oh and if WaltonsBeard is near Odens knee what on earth is Bill doing?