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Post#21 » by UCFJayBird » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:51 pm

yea, that's why we've beaten both teams, including Boston twice. lol

Yes the defense the last two games have been bad, but it's harder on the road for one, and we're still winning. We've won 7 of our last 8 or something like that. I mean what more do you want? We all knew this team wouldn't win a championship this year, we just want to get farther into the playoffs than last year, and right now that's looking pretty good.
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Post#22 » by mattyBoi » Sun Feb 3, 2008 9:28 pm

Dude im as big of a magic fan as anyone...But i dont let cloud my judgement.

Detroit is WAY better than us.

Boston is under Detroit but are still better than us we barely beat them when they didnt have Garnett and the game before the whooped us.

We are the third best team in the east, and we can add one more key player, i consider is in the league of Boston and Detroit.

Plus you just cannot do anything in the playoffs without a good point guard, boston is an exception since they have 3 ballhandlers and their point is a defensive beast.

Our best, and only distributer is hedo, who also takes the most shots. Thats not good.

We are one player away!!!!!!
I just hope we can get it done.
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Post#23 » by jamlando » Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:12 pm

I don't know if Otis is looking at any potential moves or not but I understand him continuing to say he likes the team as is. Otis is trying to keep his players focused on playing the best ball for the Magic, not worried about whether they will be traded or not.
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Post#24 » by Bensational » Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:27 pm

JTSUCF wrote:If the Magic don't make a move at the trade deadline then this tells me that Devos is not really interested in spending what it takes to get a championship here.


paying what will become the biggest contract in the league is a sign of not wanting to spend the money???

he'll pay it if it's there, and it's Otis' decision if it's there or not and he likes what we've got at the moment :wink:
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Post#25 » by D12Howard » Sun Feb 3, 2008 10:59 pm

I hope Arroyo comes off our books if we choose not to trade him..
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Post#26 » by magictreat » Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:01 pm

mattyBoi wrote:Dude im as big of a magic fan as anyone...But i dont let cloud my judgement.

Detroit is WAY better than us.

Boston is under Detroit but are still better than us we barely beat them when they didnt have Garnett and the game before the whooped us.

We are the third best team in the east, and we can add one more key player, i consider is in the league of Boston and Detroit.

Plus you just cannot do anything in the playoffs without a good point guard, boston is an exception since they have 3 ballhandlers and their point is a defensive beast.

Our best, and only distributer is hedo, who also takes the most shots. Thats not good.

We are one player away!!!!!!
I just hope we can get it done.
Wow, finally somebody that is objective about our team, I totally agreed, if Otis doesn't get a player at the 4 position, that will be a good rebounder, and defender, we do not stand a chance at playoff time; against Boston or Detroit; there will be a lot of dissapointed people on the board, with the results.
We are one player away, and Otis should have that done by the trade deadline, if he really mean business.
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Post#27 » by Devin 1L » Sun Feb 3, 2008 11:27 pm

We're 31-18 -- the best we've been in over a decade, #3 in the Eastern Conference, #1 in our division by 5.5 games, 8-2 in our last ten games, and people are bitching because Otis didn't tell a newspaper that we are looking to deal some of our players.

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Post#28 » by richboy » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:16 am

Sometimes you feel like your not as good as your record. If your goal is to win a title then I personally don't feel like this team is close. Instead of record I focus more on how I would place you with the rest of the league and how your playing. Right now I would rank the Magic between 10-13 best in the league. Luckily for them all those others are in west. Still unless the Pistons or Celtics suffer injuries this team has little shot to go further than the second round. The right trade could change that.

One reality that may be very possible is there no trade coming because they don't want to add salary. Those expirings may be needed for cap relief. With Hedo becoming a free agent after next season perhaps there is no room to add another big contract player.
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Post#29 » by theTHIEF » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:20 am

you also have to factor in people get trade-itis around this time of year, all these other teams are making trades and your just dying to hear that your team did something, no matter what...i know people like that, they just want to see their team be as active as other teams...i stick with my previous statements...i think no trades have come along that would make us better, my yield us a better piece, but we would lose depth in an area where we cannot afford to...

i just hope to god that Battie is getting ready for some intense practice...he's going to have to be mr. big show in the playoffs...
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Post#30 » by richboy » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:24 am

Your seriously waiting for Battie?
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Post#31 » by Devin 1L » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:28 am

richboy wrote:Sometimes you feel like your not as good as your record.


Of course you would.
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Post#32 » by richboy » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:37 am

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Of course you would.


You think there title contenders right now or one of the elite?
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Post#33 » by Devin 1L » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:42 am

richboy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



You think there title contenders right now or one of the elite?


This is what I think:

We're 31-18 -- the best we've been in over a decade, #3 in the Eastern Conference, #1 in our division by 5.5 games, 8-2 in our last ten games, and people are bitching because Otis didn't tell a newspaper that we are looking to deal some of our players.

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Post#34 » by UCFJayBird » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:44 am

i don't think we're title contenders, but it takes time to reach that. This year we take a step further into the playoffs, and look to be serious contenders next year.

Of course if a trade presents itself that makes sense and can make us better now, of course you do it! But I don't necessarily think there is that many trades out there that will help us without us having to give up key parts of our team that is having us play so well.

People are mad cause the Lakers got Pau for crap. But that's not Otis' fault. Magic fans on this board seem to always want to make a trade just for the sake of making one. They see us sitting still and think it's a mistake. I think at this juncture, the Magic should stand pat.
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Post#35 » by theTHIEF » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:47 am

truth is, if Pau could have been had you would assume that Otis would of gone for him...Pau is the type of player Otis wants...and it would have made this team way better most likely...but, we didnt do it, because were probably werent in the mix...hopefully we'll get more recognition this season and make a few nice moves in the OS and see where we land next year...
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Post#36 » by richboy » Mon Feb 4, 2008 1:51 am

Your just stating something that anyone could see in the newspaper.

I get the feeling many feel there major weaknesses on this roster that if not addressed could find the post season very short. In May you can't say we didn't make a move because look at the newspaper.
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Post#37 » by jamlando » Mon Feb 4, 2008 2:45 am

I agree with Jason & Thief, sometimes people think we just have to do something. They seem to forget that it takes more than 1 side to make a trade. One GM said that every GM is talking to each other right now. Everything is being explored. I think Otis is smart enough to know that we aren't contenders but maybe the people he'd like to get aren't available or would take more than what he's willing to give.
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Post#38 » by Shishnizzle » Mon Feb 4, 2008 6:08 am

thEthIEf wrote:you also have to factor in people get trade-itis around this time of year, all these other teams are making trades and your just dying to hear that your team did something, no matter what...i know people like that, they just want to see their team be as active as other teams...i stick with my previous statements...i think no trades have come along that would make us better, my yield us a better piece, but we would lose depth in an area where we cannot afford to...

i just hope to god that Battie is getting ready for some intense practice...he's going to have to be mr. big show in the playoffs...


Pretty much agree witrh you and richy rich on this. I just think the one thing people are under estimating Otis on the Mo Evans trade. This has worked out very nicely. I am extremely satisfied with the results on that trade.
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Post#39 » by lovehoops01 » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:30 am

jamlando wrote:I agree with Jason & Thief, sometimes people think we just have to do something. They seem to forget that it takes more than 1 side to make a trade. One GM said that every GM is talking to each other right now. Everything is being explored. I think Otis is smart enough to know that we aren't contenders but maybe the people he'd like to get aren't available or would take more than what he's willing to give.


I think you are dead-on about this. The GMs throughout the league are talking to each other every day at this time of year. He's probably not liking anything that might be proposed or the other teams don't like any offers he might make. I'm sure he's not sitting there every day not looking at the market. And one thing we know about Otis, he's tight-lipped. Even if he was working on something, he wouldn't tell us until it was complete.

I put this in another thread, but Keyon was quoted in the Sentinel on Sunday as saying, "I'd like to see us keep this group together. We're developing a great bond.'' When players come out and say something that strong, there's usually something to it. The last group that I heard actually say it was the Heart and Hustle crew.

I don't know if anyone heard Otis on the radio last week on Sileo's show. Although some of the stuff he said was the usual noncommital stuff, he pointed out that building a team has as much to do with chemistry as anything. He said you can't just look at a guy and say, "Yeah, he can do all that and we could use that at this moment.'' He said you have to look at how his development fits with the rest of the team, how he would interact with the rest of the team, how long he could help the team and what you'd have to give up to get him and how that would affect your team as well as how he would play with the team. He said you have to know your own players as well as players on other teams very well to understand that. He said it's not always as easy as plugging in Player A for Player B, even if that player is terrific with a skill your team needs.

For what it's worth, there actually are a couple guys whose contracts are expiring who I am more concerned about losing than about whether the Magic can deal them. Not everyone but a couple guys.
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Post#40 » by lapassione » Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:26 am

richboy wrote:One reality that may be very possible is there no trade coming because they don't want to add salary. Those expirings may be needed for cap relief. With Hedo becoming a free agent after next season perhaps there is no room to add another big contract player.


Can someone explain me what we can do about Hedo's extension. We will be over the salary cap and he has a player option for end of next year. Should we ink an extension this offseason or should we wait and see if he goes free agency? Is our extension limited to 10% raise to his current or (Bird rights?) are we able to offer him anything up to the max?

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