Sacbee: Kings/Nuggets talking Artest for Nene?

[Smills91]

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Whatever. Let's just wait an see how many championships we win with him.

How many did we win with Chris and we were CLEARLY better WITH Chris than we were without him overall. I never said Ron makes us CHAMPIONS, I said he MAKES US BETTER, and HE DOES JUST THAT.

[Smills91]

He's won us these games. At the moment, we need Artest. We are only playing two bigs and Artest.

We're 7-2 since the CORE got healthy...let's see that's a.....78% winning percentage...at that rate, we'll be in the playoffs in no time. Going at this rate the Kings would be 50-34 at season's end. However, I do understand that's a little unrealistic, but I think a 42-45 win season is still a VERY distinct possibility.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

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We're 7-2 since the CORE got healthy...let's see that's a.....78% winning percentage...at that rate, we'll be in the playoffs in no time. Going at this rate the Kings would be 50-34 at season's end. However, I do understand that's a little unrealistic, but I think a 42-45 win season is still a VERY distinct possibility.

I meant to say that he has been a 'huge factor' but while he's won us games, he's had game were its like ****!!!! pass the ball

Miller has defiantly been the biggest reason.

Bibby also has helped us. We've cut down on turnovers sense he's come back a lot which is huge

I agree its defiantly the core that our getting us the wins I think 45 wins is reasonable. Will see.

[deNIEd]

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We're 7-2 since the CORE got healthy...let's see that's a.....78% winning percentage...at that rate, we'll be in the playoffs in no time. Going at this rate the Kings would be 50-34 at season's end. However, I do understand that's a little unrealistic, but I think a 42-45 win season is still a VERY distinct possibility.

which is not good enough for the playoffs. Say we get 45 wins this season, how much do you think we can improve this summer and next? Maybe 3-5 games?
which is still not good enough for a ring.

Tear it down

[Smills91]

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which is not good enough for the playoffs. Say we get 45 wins this season, how much do you think we can improve this summer and next? Maybe 3-5 games?
which is still not good enough for a ring.

Tear it down

You're nuts man. Go root for the Lakers or something. 45 WINS will EASILY get us into the playoffs. Teams like the Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets and even Rockets or Jazz will fall down from the clip they're playing at. Also we play the Lakers 4 times. We'll skunk them! I could easily see Gasol flopping on them and pissing Kobe off in a matter of weeks. He doesn't want to be in LA and as much as I like his game, he'll bitch and moan.

[pillwenney]

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I meant to say that he has been a 'huge factor' but while he's won us games, he's had game were its like ****!!!! pass the ball

Miller has defiantly been the biggest reason.

Bibby also has helped us. We've cut down on turnovers sense he's come back a lot which is huge

I agree its defiantly the core that our getting us the wins I think 45 wins is reasonable. Will see.

Ehh, maybe, but I feel like what Mike lacks in turnovers, he more than makes up for in stupid shot selection.

[Smills91]

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Ehh, maybe, but I feel like what Mike lacks in turnovers, he more than makes up for in stupid shot selection.

Well turnovers mean a lost possesion, at least on a shot it might go in or you might get the o-rebound. I'll take a bad shot over a turnover any day of the week.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

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Ehh, maybe, but I feel like what Mike lacks in turnovers, he more than makes up for in stupid shot selection.

While I don't agree with sum of his shots, he gets the ball thrown to him because he's the PG with 2 seconds on the clock. He has to shoot some of those. Before they would be 24 seconds volitions which would be a turnover. A BAD SHOT IS A GOOD SHOT if there is no time on the shot clock.

I've gotten frustrated when he shot the ball earlier on the shot clock but he hasn't had his stroke the last couple games. Some of those will go in and we won't be as mad at those 'shots"

He also is creating for people. While he hasn't had the big games Beno had, he is still better than he is. His defense hasn't been that horrendous either

[sackings916]

I think Theus told Bibby to be more of a playmaker. If you compare how he's been playing so far this season compared to last season you could tell he's making a concious effort to set up his teammates.

[KingInExile]

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You're nuts man. Go root for the Lakers or something. 45 WINS will EASILY get us into the playoffs. Teams like the Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets and even Rockets or Jazz will fall down from the clip they're playing at. Also we play the Lakers 4 times. We'll skunk them! I could easily see Gasol flopping on them and pissing Kobe off in a matter of weeks. He doesn't want to be in LA and as much as I like his game, he'll bitch and moan.

Man, go check the current standings. At the moment it will take 50+ wins to just slide into the playoffs in the west. Sure, 45 wins will easily get you into the playoffs in the east...but the last time I checked the Kings are still playing in the west.

Maybe if Denver, Golden State, Portland and Houston all fall on their face in the second half of the season I can see the Kings sliding in with just 45 wins. But more than likely 45 wins means that we will be sniffing someone's ass just outside of the playoffs. Get out of your ultra-homer mode.

[deNIEd]

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You're nuts man. Go root for the Lakers or something. 45 WINS will EASILY get us into the playoffs. Teams like the Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets and even Rockets or Jazz will fall down from the clip they're playing at. Also we play the Lakers 4 times. We'll skunk them! I could easily see Gasol flopping on them and pissing Kobe off in a matter of weeks. He doesn't want to be in LA and as much as I like his game, he'll bitch and moan.

Yeah, clearly i'm not a king's fan, because i'm willing to sit through a rebuilding period, that clearly makes me a laker fan. However, you, a person who refuses to watch the king's rebuild, is obviously a diehard king's fan.

Let's see let's assume Kings get 45, GSW, Blazers, Nug, Rockets, Jazz all get 45 as well...then these will need to happen

Kings - 23-13 .639

Warriors - 16- 18 .470
Portland - 18 - 20 .500
Houston - 18 - 17 .514
Meaning, if the kings win 45 games, and we have the tiebreaker for GSW/Port/Hou, we need the teams to be below .500

If we want Denver, Utah, or Lakers to slide, they need to go
Laker - 15 - 21 .416
Utah - 15 - 19 .441
Denver - 16-20 .444

So no, I don't think 45 wins will easily get us in the playoffs, and it won't get us into the playoffs at all. What makes you think any of those teams will slide, and the kings will only get better? You are talking about a best case scenario for the kings, and worst case for 3-4 teams. Not realistic.

Rebuild, and Rebuild only.

But Smills, answer this. Say we make it into the playoffs..then what? Next year we will lose Artest, or we lose all finicial freedom for a few years. How do we improve? How do we go from bottom seed playoffs to contender? Trade anyone, and we don't have the talent to make the playoffs, or we could sign people with the team being sooo much under the cap.

Why don't you go root for the Lakers

[Sacramento_King]

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I could easily see Gasol flopping on them and pissing Kobe off in a matter of weeks. He doesn't want to be in LA and as much as I like his game, he'll bitch and moan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080203/sp_ ... gasol_dc_2
Trade to contending Lakers delights Gasol

It sure seems he wants to be in LA.

I love the enthusiasm but the Kings have to many question marks.

[Smills91]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080203/sp_ ... gasol_dc_2
Trade to contending Lakers delights Gasol

It sure seems he wants to be in LA.

I love the enthusiasm but the Kings have to many question marks.

That's B.S., I know as does BMiller, Einz, Ron Artestfan that Gasol wanted NO part of LA.

[SacTown Kings]

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That's B.S., I know as does BMiller, Einz, Ron Artestfan that Gasol wanted NO part of LA.

How do the four of you know this? Is this fact or speculation? There is a big difference. Anyways we need to win 47 or 48 games to get into the playoffs, 45 wont cut it.

[Ballings7]

I think Theus told Bibby to be more of a playmaker. If you compare how he's been playing so far this season compared to last season you could tell he's making a concious effort to set up his teammates.

Yes. Finally doing what should of been done last season. Maybe Musselman played a part in that, too. But, Mike did for sure. The hand injury wasn't an excuse for how he should of been playing, and actually would of been better under the case of his injury. Less pressure.

As I've said numerous times in the past, this is the best way for him to be utilized on this team. The compatability and balance has been there. Differing.

Even if Ron actually is traded, Mike still should have a similar role as has been. Because of what Salmons and Garcia have established they can do in increased oppurtunity. Along with Brad and Kevin, and Mike will still get a handful of shots.

Definitely shouldn't mean out of a sudden "Oh, Ron's gone, time for my shots to go up a bunch". That type of role for Mike messes up the balance of the offense. I wouldn't expect this, though.

[Sacramento_King]

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That's B.S., I know as does BMiller, Einz, Ron Artestfan that Gasol wanted NO part of LA.

You keep coming back to these inside sources that we turned down Haslem in a deal, Wright is a pothead and now Gasol wanted no part of LA. I'll go with what the man has actually said rather than a group of message board insiders. Pau will be real good in the triangle. He gets someone else to do the heavy lifting in Kobe. Has another legit bigman in Bynum. Outside shooters, great passers, gets to play in LA for a title with the tradition. Sounds real horrible.

[Sacramento_King]

I hope Artest playing well, combined with Gasol going to LA has opened up Dallas to look at acquiring him. Harris would be a great acquisition for the Kings.

Harris / Hassell / Jones / George / cash to buyout Jones and George for Artest / KT.

[magee]

^There's no way this trade goes down. Who would Dallas have as their PG?

In regards to the original post, dealing for Nene would be worth it. He's young, big and talented. As long as a contract like Thomas' can be pawned off in the deal as well, then do it. It could be expanded to include Francisco Garcia and Linas Klieza. Otherwise, Artest/Thomas/pick for Nene/Najera/pick could work.

[sackings916]

^There's no way this trade goes down. Who would Dallas have as their PG?

In regards to the original post, dealing for Nene would be worth it. He's young, big and talented. As long as a contract like Thomas' can be pawned off in the deal as well, then do it. It could be expanded to include Francisco Garcia and Linas Klieza. Otherwise, Artest/Thomas/pick for Nene/Najera/pick could work.

Nene gets paid around $10 mill a year for the next 5 years or whatever he is signed to. The cancer is a concern, but even before that he been inconsistent in everything except being injured. And on top of that you want the Kings to throw in a pick? I'd rather keep Thomas and let him expire than do that deal.

[SacKingZZZ]

Kings certainly aren't throwing a pick in if they are landing Nene. Questionable if the Nuggz would, they might.