Utah after Indiana's Jeff Foster?

[The Sheik]

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Because LAL had McKie's rights, since he was playing for them when his last contract expired. The ONLY team that could do that with PJ Brown was the Chicago Bulls...you can't S&T another team's player. What a mess that would make if you could.

And yeah, the only team that was going to get Gasol was the team who would pony up the expirings. The Griz wanted to save money, nothing more. We had no shot.

Yeah that makes sense...I dont know what I was thinking. I just dont see this deal happening because I dont think the Jazz are sold on Price as backup PG and they wont trade Hart or Price.

[Monkeyfeng06]

don't ever trade almond and okur!

[loserX]

So we could sign and trade Tag?

Good question. My understanding (and anyone who has more info should please correct me) is that Aaron McKie NEVER OFFICIALLY RETIRED FROM THE NBA. (Despite the fact that he is working as a developmental coach for the Sixers...which I assume makes Pau Gasol the first all-star ever traded for a developmental coach.) The same is obviously true of PJ Brown, and Keith Van Horn (who has also been discussed as being traded as a possible "phantom expiring", like McKie was).

I believe Ostertag officially retired a long time ago, so we can't trade him in such a manner. Again, if anyone has more conclusive information, please let me know.

[enIIgma_chan]

Foster could easily be a 12pt / 12 reb guy if he played 30 minutes a game for the jazz but I don't wanna lose any players we have right now though.

[croz24]

as a pacers fan, i must say i don't like utah as a good trading partner for jeff foster. the pacers do not want okur and utah's 1st would not be high enough for me to bite. but larry bird has proven himself inept as a gm and would probably take much less in return for foster than what most pacers fans would. i'm honestly waiting for a phx/ind trade sending foster to phx for atl's 1st this year + filler...

[DelaneyRudd]

The NBA will likely close the loophole and make an "Aaron McKie rule". It's not like Boston could sign and trade Bill Russell.

[d-will8]

as a pacers fan, i must say i don't like utah as a good trading partner for jeff foster. the pacers do not want okur and utah's 1st would not be high enough for me to bite. but larry bird has proven himself inept as a gm and would probably take much less in return for foster than what most pacers fans would. i'm honestly waiting for a phx/ind trade sending foster to phx for atl's 1st this year + filler...

Are you serious? I agree that the Pacers could get more than the Jazz can (will) offer, but Phoenix would have to be incredibly stupid to give you what could very well be a lottery pick in a good draft and filler for Jeff Foster. I think that Foster's a solid big man and I'd like to have him on the Jazz, but come on now.

[The Sheik]

as a pacers fan, i must say i don't like utah as a good trading partner for jeff foster. the pacers do not want okur and utah's 1st would not be high enough for me to bite. but larry bird has proven himself inept as a gm and would probably take much less in return for foster than what most pacers fans would. i'm honestly waiting for a phx/ind trade sending foster to phx for atl's 1st this year + filler...

what would be the filler? PHX has nothing in the way of a filler for you. You really want Brian Skinner and Marcus Banks?

[candreww]

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what would be the filler? PHX has nothing in the way of a filler for you. You really want Brian Skinner and Marcus Banks?

Indiana would love to have Eric Piatkowski - word is he played with Jimmy Chitwood back in the day.

[Pappyman]

why not just trade jason hart, jarron collins, and c.j. miles for him? that trade works under the collective bargaining agreement. this would be our depth chart:

PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, D-League Player
SG: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, Morris Almond
SF: Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, Morris Almond
PF: Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Jeff Foster
C: Mehmet Okur, Jeff Foster, Kyrylo Fesenko

I really think that this would be the best trade that we could make for him. This trade would open up a lot of things. It would allow for Ronnie Price to get all of the back up point guard minutes, which he has earned with his play recently. It would also allow for us to keep Morris Almond and to give him spot back up minutes at shooting guard and at small forward. He can play both positions. We would also get the defensive/rebounding center that we desperately need if we have championship aspirations THIS season.

[The Sheik]

Or we could trade Collins, Hart and a 1st rder for Foster and Andre Owens.

[bballpacen]

The first rounder has, IMO, not nearly as much value as we Pacer fans have for Fiesty. IMO, Almond is not enough to make me want to part ways with Jeff, either, but Bird seemed to have a man crush on him during last years draft. And I am certain that we would not be interested in Miles, with him up for a contract, and we would not be able to have Bird rights on him...

[bleu]

Or we could trade Collins, Hart and a 1st rder for Foster and Andre Owens.

I'd love that trade. I hate Collins and I hate Hart, while at the same time I am a pretty big Jeff Foster fan, and I would love to see Andre Owens in a Utah jersey again.

[Pacersike]

How do Utah fans value Fesenko? And a little bit of info about the dude would be nice.

thx

ps Almond might do the trick for Bird IMO

[The Sheik]

How do Utah fans value Fesenko? And a little bit of info about the dude would be nice.

thx

ps Almond might do the trick for Bird IMO

high. Unlike most Euro bigs he has the rare combination of atheleticism and good hands in the paint. Usually most Euro bigs are either Okur/Bargnani types or Kosta Pervoic/Pavel Podkolzine slow footed big monsters.

I think he has a lot of work to do, but he is our future hope at C, cuz as we all know its very hard to obtain let a lone develop the traditional big (rebounder and shot blocker).

Fess needs to work on his understanding for the game, refine his D philosophy (learn not hack) and his conditioning.

[Duiz]

Okur is a loon, but he is our loon, and he is vital to our success. Him injured we were 1-9, and now that he is in the paint taking care, at least only of his man, how we on fire.


Okur 4 Prez

[JStockLivesOn]

Pacer Fan here,

It is true Bird wanted Almond, in fact rumor was we had a deal in PLace with Houston for Luther Head and the rights to their 2007 1st( which Bird wanted Almond) for Ike Diogu, then Utah picked Almond in front of Houston, thus killing the deal. However I must say , considering to my knowledge you have limited options at SG, that it concerns me Almond is being constantly sent back to the NBDL. Comments on that? Also for Foster what we would want you obviously wont give up ( D. Williams.) and although Milsap, and Almond and possibly even Brewer intrigue us. Salaries wont add up. And you can forget Memit or Harpring, Bird is already trying to make us the whitest team in the NBA

Yeah, limited options...

... unless you count slasher/athletic freak/2 steals per game Ronnie Brewer and one-of-the-league's-best-shooters Kyle Korver, as well as Larry-Miller's-man-crush CJ Miles...

Yes, quite limited.

[DelaneyRudd]

why not just trade jason hart, jarron collins, and c.j. miles for him? that trade works under the collective bargaining agreement. this would be our depth chart:

PG: Deron Williams, Ronnie Price, D-League Player
SG: Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, Morris Almond
SF: Andrei Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, Morris Almond
PF: Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Jeff Foster
C: Mehmet Okur, Jeff Foster, Kyrylo Fesenko

I really think that this would be the best trade that we could make for him. This trade would open up a lot of things. It would allow for Ronnie Price to get all of the back up point guard minutes, which he has earned with his play recently. It would also allow for us to keep Morris Almond and to give him spot back up minutes at shooting guard and at small forward. He can play both positions. We would also get the defensive/rebounding center that we desperately need if we have championship aspirations THIS season.

Ya know, that would be a great trade, and ya know what else, banging Scarlett Johannson would be a great! It would also be cool if the Israelis and the Palestinians got along and NASA called me up and offered me a job as an Astronaut!

[erudite23]

It is kind of blowing my mind how much these Pacers fans think that Jeff freakin' Foster is worth. Are you kidding me?

This is a guy that is a rebounding specialist with limited athletic ability or skill. A guy that will be making 13 million over the next two seasons and is almost 32 years old......all while playing for a team that is locked into three of the worst contracts in the NBA (O'Neal, Murphy, Dunleavy) that will be just good enough to prevent them from getting a good enough draft pick to actually compete for anything meaningful, while making it apparent that they are going nowhere fast.

Does this sound like a team that needs a 30+ year old bit player with an oversized contract? I don't think so.

I'm sure Foster could shine on a team that needs his particular abilities, and I think that team might even be the Jazz, but the attitude coming from these Indiana fans that they don't want anything but, basically, a lotto pick in return for him is mind boggling to say the least.

With all that said, a package that includes, Miles, Collins, Price/Hart and a future 2nd rounder seems fair for both sides, imo. I would hesitate to give up on Almond right now, because we haven't seen enough from him to determine whether he is a keeper or not, and Miles has shown enough that with a half year of real solid run, he could easily earn a contract in the mid-level area.

[celtspacers]

Have you ever seen Jeff foster. I dont think you have. or you wouldn't have said limited athletic ability.. He's one of the most athletic players you will see at his size. He's not just a rebounder. He hustles and gets to more loose balls than anyone in the league. Utah can keep they're crap and Indy will keep they'res and neither will win a Championship.