Doug Collins Possibility?

[europa]

I do believe in what Bogut is doing and I do think Yi has the potential to be a good player and maybe a very good one. But you still have the significant issues I talked about (and I didn't even mention the large number of horrible contracts this team has). I just think it's a mess and I think it's in much worse shape than the 2005 team was so I don't see why Collins would want any part of it.

[xTitan]

You also have to look at the fact that your backcourt has at least1 and possibly 2 players who need to go, both do not have attractive contracts that will easily be moved.

[paulpressey25]

Let's go back to when Doug Collins first talked about this job during the June 15-25th period in 2005.

At that time:

a) It was still not certain TJ Ford would play effectively again. He hadn't been on a court in almost two years.

b) Michael Redd was a FA and Cleveland was coming after him hard with max-money and LeBron.

c) We had the #1 overall in what at the time was considered a down year. Most people outside of Milwaukee looked at Bogut's upside as Vlade Divac at best. And he was the consensus #1.

d) Gadz and ZaZa were both FA's.

e) There was no indication a FA of Simmons stature that year would ever sign here or that Kohl would allow the money for both Simmons and Redd.

f) The owner had just forced the GM to fire the head coach after a messy press conference three weeks earlier where the GM said he would sink or swim with the head coach.

g) We were coming off a season where we finished with the sixth worst record in the league, and a little tanking didn't have that much effect on the W-L. We were bad.....

Now if you want to take the job of the team with the sixth worst record, who very possibly would lose their best player in FA and try to figure out the entire draft in about 10-days time, go right ahead....but that was not a significantly more attractive job at the time it was presented than what we could present to Collins in February of 2008.....unless of course you figure that the last three years have further shown how much Kohl meddles...

And yes I know Mo and Redd have big contracts, but both are dealable commodities.

This team has some things to work with once you get a good GM with a philosophy and get Herb to step aside......

[raferfenix]

There's no question Van Gundy would be a whole lot better than Collins---maybe if we'd give him a lot of influence on the roster we could entice him. I didn't get to see the game he announced of ours, but it seems like he wasn't too negative. Considering he's one of the very few coaches with experience transitioning a young Chinese phenom, I would especially love if that happened.

I also think Europa is being a little too negative about our roster. I've been convinced by now that a Mo/Redd backcourt will never be a winning pairing with our front court, and I'm not even sure if either player is a good fit on our long term because of some of the detrimental effects they've had on Yi and Bogut's development.

However, both are tradable commodities. At the extreme least we could get a young player or a pick with an ending or soon to be ending contract for either of them. Whatever we get for them in combination with our pick this year as well as the continued improvement for Bogut and Yi doesn't make for a horrible situation at all. In fact, I think a guy like JVG or Collins would relish the rare opportunity to totally remake a roster as they see fit.

[Rockmaninoff]

Why does anyone want Doug Collins? He doesn't have an authoritative presence. And, he creeps me out with his 60 year old blond hair.

Can we just give Larry Brown the titles of President of Basketball Operations and Head Coach, and start winning some games? Bye, bye Ron Walter and Krystkowiak, but Harris stays as the voice of Herb Kohl in personel decisions.

I don't think Brown would be much of a risk, because he now needs something positive at the end of his legacy. The media, the management, and the players are really what killed him in New York. No one was on his side. Well, ownership was, but in the end jumped on the media bandwagon, and sided with Isiah and the players. Everybody would be on his side, here.

[little_cleo]

"The owner had just forced the GM to fire the head coach after a messy press conference three weeks earlier where the GM said he would sink or swim with the head coach."

It was Kohl's choice to hire Porter when in fact there where more qualified coach(s) -well more deserving and willing to coach this team. I would rather of had a folding chair or two-hundred pounds of dead rats on the sidelines "coaching" instead of Porter. Stotts is strike two and it seems very defenite that strike three for selecting bad headcoach(s) will be on Kohl's selection report card. It's time for him to let people with basketball-savy pick a real coach...maybe he'll wake up before its to late but I'm starting to doubt that.

Getting back to Porter, the only reason why he got the Bucks to the Playoffs was because TJ Ford was that GOOD to overcome such terrible coaching, its too bad that Ford's health couldn't him alow him to play at his high level...that trade still seems terrible to me but than again you can't fault it because he did in fact get hurt again.

I just can't see the logic in blaming Harris.

[fam3381]

If it were just Kohl who meddled with the GM that would be one thing, but we know it's more of a cultural problem, as xTitan said. So there would have to be a significant shift, and short of an ownership change it would seem that only a guy that Kohl was in love with (insert joke here) could bring that. I don't see why Collins would be that guy, but who knows what influences Herb in these cases (insert second joke here).

[smauss]

First off, I'm of the opinion that ultimately until Kohl sells, this orgainzation will be ineffective.

I'm not a Collins guy, never have liked him, I always thought that he was over-rated as a coach. He always seemed a bit seedy to me; kind of a guy who will tell you what you want to hear and then pulls strings behind you. I don't know if that's a fair characterization or not but that's always been my impression and I really don't want him here.

I think a brutely honest, straight talking, authority figure is what I would like here. Someone who actually does what was only said about LK.
I think JVG would be someone that could have a very good impact on this organization. My guess is that he wouldn't last long; he'd probably get fed-up with Kohl but I would love to hear someone being brutally honest about this orgainzation and the players as well.