Dallas needs a change; what do you have?

[LPKingsFan]

Ron Artest. He'll get you past the Spurs.

[JES12]

Ron Artest. He'll get you past the Spurs.

We have no problem beating the Spurs, or any methodical teams. It's the free flowing, helter-skelter, streetball type teams we need welp with. Artest can help with those kind of teams, but without using Harris, Howard & Dirk, what kind of a trade do you suggest?

[Mr Swagtastic]

Trade 1:

Trade 2:

Toronto:
Anthony Parker
Kris Humphries
Joey Graham(Filler)

Dallas:
First Rounder '08
Diop
Stackhouse

Toronto loses two bad contracts (at least Graham), gets good value for Parker
If thats not enough, what would Dallas have to add Toronto fans?
[edit:] I think thats way overpaying for Parker, i would rather keep Diop out .... idk


Lineup:
Dampier/Bass
Dirk/Juwan/Bass
Josh/JJones/Hassell
Parker/EJones/Hassell
Harris/Terry

Thats a easy yes for Toronto. Diop gives us a young bigman who is a force on glass and a good shotblocker. I think with a potential Moon/Bosh/Diop front court would do quite well on the defensive end. Diop wouldn't need to drop more then 6 ppg here. We have enough scorers as our lineup would consist of

PG: Calderon/Ford/Dixon
SG: Stackhouse/Delfino/Kopono
SF: Moon/Kopono/Garbojasa
PF: Bosh/Bargnani/Garbojasa
C: Diop/Nesterovic/vetern miminum (Mike Sweetney)

^^ Thats looks pretty damn good to me and we could just use Dallas' pick for Brandon Rush and our pick for DJ Augustin if we are going to draft a PG or Marreese Speights who I think would be a good 4/5 backup for Bosh.

Toronto would be deep at every position and bring over Ukic to be a 3rd PG with size.

[yungal07]

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Sorry man, Howard is our 3rd best player and is not at the critical positions.

Are you guys serious? Wasn't dallas damn near unbeaten last season when Howard scored 20 or more points?

And hold up - who's behind Howard that can take his place if he's traded? And please don't say Trenton Hassell.

[chefy]

bass,jones,george,stackhouse,1st for vince carter

[Village Idiot]

Trade 1:

Portland:
James Jones

Dallas:
Devin George
2nd Rounder

George is expiring, so Portland might do it (even without the 2nd)

I don't think so. Jones has a great contract, is a wonderful presence in the lockerroom and is #2 in the league in 3pt shooting. Portland would gladly include him in a Devin Harris trade but won't give him away for essentially nothing.

[JES12]

Are you guys serious? Wasn't dallas damn near unbeaten last season when Howard scored 20 or more points?

And hold up - who's behind Howard that can take his place if he's traded? And please don't say Trenton Hassell.

He's still vital to the team, like I said. But if if someone offered Caron Butler for Josh and a 1st, I drive Howard to the airport myself, thus the reason I said "upgrade." I never said Hassell will start, did I? I never said we trade him for change sake, did I?

And look what has happend the last two games without Harris. Look at how our team performs without Harris the entire year. Then look at our team without Howard. Needless to say, Harris is more crucial to our team than Howard, but Howard, no doubt, is still very important to our team. He's still 3rd best, though, so no, I'm not crazy.

[JES12]

bass,jones,george,stackhouse,1st for vince carter

No.

Best we offer for Carter is a 28 mil savings for NJ (47 if you count his last unguaranteed year). Stack & Hassell.

Edit: We may throw in a 1st, but not Bass.

[JES12]

JES and I disagree on alot, but his comment about Harris being our 2nd best player, I agree. Dallas needs a change, and Dirk and Harris are the building blocks, Howard is a good player, but the sg/sf position is the easiest to replace. Dalals needs his toughness no doubt, but how thta man disappears every second half is beyond me. IMO, Terry has to go asap, stack can go if the deal is right, howard if the deal is great.

Oomph, no disrespect, no chance in hell dallas ever takes troy murphy in any deal.

Hopefully we do something, Id love to see Artest in a Mavs uniform, like that 3 way with Orl someone posted where they get TErry, Sac gets cap relief. My question is can Josh play the 2, if he cant, would it be worth moving him to get a more fundamental 2 guard.

That was me that posted that with us also assuming KT's deal and Sac taking Hassell to balance the trade salary wise.

All three teams liked it, so i still have that one in the back of my head.

[JES12]

Deveon George just stated he would be open to a trade (waive his 1 year bird right to veto the deal) if his minutes do not increase.

Honestly, I don'n blame George because our best lineup last year was Harris/Howard/George/Dirk/Diop. Avery refuses to play him, Diop and Hassell the minutes they deserve. Because of this, I feel for George, but with Bass taking all of his minutes and R. Terry in Euro right now, I would say Georges time with us is limited.

[Pointguard01]

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Thats a easy yes for Toronto. Diop gives us a young bigman who is a force on glass and a good shotblocker. I think with a potential Moon/Bosh/Diop front court would do quite well on the defensive end. Diop wouldn't need to drop more then 6 ppg here. We have enough scorers as our lineup would consist of

PG: Calderon/Ford/Dixon
SG: Stackhouse/Delfino/Kopono
SF: Moon/Kopono/Garbojasa
PF: Bosh/Bargnani/Garbojasa
C: Diop/Nesterovic/vetern miminum (Mike Sweetney)

^^ Thats looks pretty damn good to me and we could just use Dallas' pick for Brandon Rush and our pick for DJ Augustin if we are going to draft a PG or Marreese Speights who I think would be a good 4/5 backup for Bosh.

Toronto would be deep at every position and bring over Ukic to be a 3rd PG with size.

I really dont see Dallas doing that. Bass nor Juwan cant consistently play backup center. Parker is an upgrade over Stack, but not at the expense of losing Diop.

[ITK9]

lol@ devin harris being better than josh howard.

[JES12]

lol@ devin harris being better than josh howard.

And why is that laughable? There %'s are about the same. There defense are about the same (Harris better steals, and preventing players from driving to the lane & Howard better at preventing his player from getting the ball to begin with and better at blocks). Howard is the better rebounder, but Harris is the better passer. Harris plays the entire game, including crunch time, Howard is a 1st half player and is not clutch.

About the same, right? That's what I said at the beginning of the year. After seeing us win (2-1) without Howard, we don't without Harris (3-4), there's no doubt in my mind that Harris is more crucial to our team that Howard. You don't really need to look at the game log, just watch the game and who is on the court vs who is on the bench. Mavs are a lotto team without Harris.

[Mr Swagtastic]

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I really dont see Dallas doing that. Bass nor Juwan cant consistently play backup center. Parker is an upgrade over Stack, but not at the expense of losing Diop.

yeah hence the easy yes from Toronto part, so what Dallas lost 1 game to Detroit the Raps beat the Celtics does that mean they are having a firesale as well?

Dallas is fine they way they are, I think Terry will be the first to move if they trade anybody.

[catalyst]

IBID to xbl

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

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It's not so much being high on the pick or R. Terry, its more the fact that Stack and Dunleavy is almost a wash. Dunleavy plays about 1.5 times as much as Stack and stats are not to far off when they are per min. Dunleavy still has more points, he has a sizeable difference in reb, but Stack is the better passer with more ast & less TOs. And Stack has played better defense this year than last year and he also makes the timely shots though his %'s are awful (compared to Mike).

So when those two, overall, may be a wash, throwing in extra's would tilt it to a no.

As for R. Terry, many of us (myself included) wanted him in our uniform this year and were uspest that management wanted him to go to Europe. I think he can have a Travis Outlaw type career and that may be the piece we really need next to Howard.

So would you do the Dunleavy + Tinsley for J. Terry + Hassell + 1st deal? Stack is still avialable in that package, but Oomph liked the better defender and lower contract of Hassell.

Edit: BTW, during the summer, I would not even do a MD + JT + Indy 1st for JT & JS, but JT and MD have increased their trade value this season enough for me to not only do the deal, but add a Mav pick even though I would be worried about them reverting to their 2006-07 form.

That seems to work. Is Terry's deal longer or shorter than Tinsley's?

[JES12]

That seems to work. Is Terry's deal longer or shorter than Tinsley's?

I thought it was the same as Tinsley, but I just checked and looks like Terry's is til summer 2012 and Indy's contracts are 2011. But Stack and Hassell's are both 2010 ('09 if Hassell opts out of PO), so it balances a little.

[Jordan45822]

IMO the Mavericks need a big man more than anything. I would go after JO once he is healthy. If you lucky you get a Diener/Tinsley with him.

[Teddy KGB]

wow i can't believe you are still arguing this with me...

Devin is a good defender no doubt. I would say him and Josh are equals there. But what else can he do better than Josh? Josh scores at a higher rate and can actually shoot unlike Devin. They can both slash, but Josh can shoot the 3. When it comes to rebounding, Josh clearly blows him out of the water as 7.5rpg is exceptional for a SF while Devin is nothing special. Now, passing is not in favour of Devin. Sure, he gets more assists. But that's more to do with him being a PG. I mean, I honestly have seen 0 elements of playmaking skills in Devin. He just cannot run an offense! I wou

Oh and regarding the "Clutch" comment, you have to remember that 21 points on the board is still 21 points on the board, no matter when it was put up. If Josh is a 1st quarter guy, then so be it. What's wrong with that? You realise that most blowouts in our favour are due to Josh Howard?

Also, Josh brings the intangibles for us. Whether we like it or not, our superstar is not known as a tough guy around the league; he doesn't exactly inspire fear [see Sheed's comments]. Josh is one of the only tough guys on this roster, you can see that from his intensity at all times and his crazy hustle. Devin on the other hand is soft as powder and has a reputation for being a flopper. Real tough that is, eh?

Now, don't get me wrong. Devin's a real good player, and he's one of my favourite players. BUT to say that he's the 2nd most important player on this team is just wrong. I think the order of importance goes:

1a Dirk
1b Josh Howard

2 Devin Harris
3 Jason Terry
4 Erick Dampier
5 Jerry Stackhouse

Oh, and btw:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... 0#15373590

[Mr. Kite]

Dampier + George for Ben Wallace?

Dallas gets a useful player and long-term salary cap relief (Wallace's contract is one year shorter than Dampier).