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Post#21 » by Devin 1L » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:35 pm

dariusl7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

My point was that Miller is a great rebounder for a SG/SF position player. I hope you can agree with that. At what rate he would rebound in our team we would know only after you give him a chance. Most likely he would rebound less but that does not make him less valuable player.


No, I'm not suggesting that he isn't a good rebounder for a SG/SF.

It's just that sometimes people do try to just transfer numbers across teams like that, without taking into account that he doesn't play with good rebounders while here he would be playing with the best.

Secondly, was just to point out that Stan's comments about rebounding from the SG position are likely the result of not having a true PF, and that if we had a true power forward, that the need for rebounding from the SG position is not near as pressing of a need.

While we can discuss what position player is more important for the Magic right now we can only agree that Miller is available and he would improve the team. I would be delighted if Haslem would be let go by Miami but no way Miami would help us improve. Zaza, well there is a reason he's not playing. To me Zaza played well when he gets to touch the ball every time otherwise he would disapear and that's exactly what happened to him this year. Also, I don't think aquiring Miller could prevent us from go after Zaza if you prefer him.


It's not that I think Miller is bad, or that he wouldn't help or anything like that. I'm a fan of Mike Miller.

I just think that making a move for Miller would be a bit redundant.

He won't come free so we'd have to give up assets to get him. I personally think these assets could be better spent looking for a player who actually fills a need for us rather than another sharp-shooting swingman.
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Post#22 » by magicman123 » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:22 pm

i dont think we have any real chance of getting a legit pf with our pieces right now..but if we could land miller that would solve our sg problems..most likely we would give up some expirings, a pick and maybe jj (something like that)...this offseason we will get battie back, and then sign a couple backup players...miller/evans is way better then evans/bogans
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Post#23 » by SpaceCoastGator » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:24 am

All this talk about a 'legit' PF. Who's going to the bench if we get Haslem or someone like him? (it not being likely that we get Haslem...and we do have Battie coming back late this year or next year). We are 12 games over .500 with $117 MM Rashard at 4 and 'shoulda have been an All-Star' Hedo at 3. We brought in Cook to help at 4 (and are stuck with him for 2 more years)...hopefully he can provide some help...he has had a moment or two. We got Fran coming next year right? (I know beer cans are being tossed at the screen)

Our biggest needs are at PG and SG. The trade proposed does help the overall picture at 2, so I'd go for it. I liked the one comment of all the those guys in their late 20's prime of career.

However, I'd hold on this trade, if we use up assets that could improve our PG situation! I just don't see it happening.
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Post#24 » by bgassassin » Sun Feb 3, 2008 12:35 am

Pancho_Pantera wrote:Mike Miller looks like a gay. Don't want that on the team.


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Just making sure ths trade gets covered in both threads. It would include your '08 first.
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Post#25 » by Idunkonyou2 » Sun Feb 3, 2008 4:46 am

Getting Miller would be awesome.

Garrity (expiring)
Reddick (small contract)
Dooling (expiring)
2009 1st round pick

for

Miller

That would work.
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Post#26 » by lovehoops01 » Sun Feb 3, 2008 6:38 am

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How can you APPARENTLY read a rumor? You either did or you didn't :lol:



LOL. And was the rumor from a drunk at a bar or a Magic "insider?"

Regarding some of the other comments here.....I have no more reason to believe this year that Fran Vazquez is going to join the Magic next season than the day he told us that he was staying in Spain. I wouldn't hold my breath or make all the moves on my team based on that.

This is what Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace had to say about Mike Miller. He might be available, but he's not going for a bargain basement price, from an ESPN story.

As for Mike Miller, whom many expect to be the next high-salaried Memphis player to be moved (he makes $8.2 million this season and $18.8 over the next two), Wallace acknowledged there has been plenty of interest but cautioned: "I'm not trading him for nothing. I can see us going forward with him."

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Post#27 » by sipe75 » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:47 pm

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Really I thought since he is 6-8 or something he played SF... I still can't imagine him chasing quick SG's but if you say so... Miller-Hedo-Lewis would create matchup problems I guess.


Yes, HUGE match-up problems... defensively that is. Why does every fan just disregard defense? You have to be able to stop dribble penetration. We can not do that. This is our down fall and the main reason we will never win a championship with the current roster. Oh and trading our best perimeter defender in keyon too. ugh!!
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Post#28 » by parso15 » Sun Feb 3, 2008 7:57 pm

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Yes, HUGE match-up problems... defensively that is. Why does every fan just disregard defense? You have to be able to stop dribble penetration. We can not do that. This is our down fall and the main reason we will never win a championship with the current roster. Oh and trading our best perimeter defender in keyon too. ugh!!


That was exactly my point when I sad he is in the same mold as Hedo & Lewis... but people here were arguing that he is a SG.
With this lineup quick SG will create havoc thats true but still you can't teach height I guess.
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Post#29 » by Max Power » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:34 pm

Pancho_Pantera wrote:Mike Miller looks like a gay. Don't want that on the team.


Gotta agree, but not because he looks like a gay, which he does. I hated Mike Miller when he was here, and my interest in the Magic would take a huge hit if he were brought back. You guys think Hedo is hard to understand in an interview? Miller has the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) Shaq style of speaking that drives me nuts.

Sure, he could help us, but I'd rather Smith look at other options, like a power forward. Our 4 man 2 guard system isn't pretty, but it's been working. We're 31-18, and it's amazing after 4 years that people still aren't happy with the unbeleivable improvements we've made. We're going to be a player this season, sit back and enjoy the ride....forget Mike Miller, he'd ruin our chemistry, and at this point, it's pretty damned good.
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Post#30 » by Max Power » Sun Feb 3, 2008 8:35 pm

Idunkonyou2 wrote:Getting Miller would be awesome.

Garrity (expiring)
Reddick (small contract)
Dooling (expiring)
2009 1st round pick

for

Miller

That would work.


All that for Miller? Are you nuts? Maybe the pick and Redick, but certainly not Dooling.
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Post#31 » by sipe75 » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:08 am

parso15 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That was exactly my point when I sad he is in the same mold as Hedo & Lewis... but people here were arguing that he is a SG.
With this lineup quick SG will create havoc thats true but still you can't teach height I guess.


Yeah, I wasn't questioning your statement, more or less I just wanted to put a play on words with what you said. Although there is also reasons why teams don't just start all their tallest guys. The small guys are in there because quickness is also valuable.
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Post#32 » by surflawyer » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:30 pm

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Sure, he could help us, but I'd rather Smith look at other options, like a power forward.



Not picking on you Max but Ive heard a lot of posts saying "so and so is not what we need. We need a PF."

Could someone please post a PF that is available and one that could be got with our expirings and a pick!

Its like saying your going to divorce your wife because Jessica Simpson is Hot. If we aint got a chance at a PF who cares if we need or want one. Lets improve the team as best we can.

Once the expirings "expire" they arent worth squat!!!
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Post#33 » by Max Power » Mon Feb 4, 2008 4:47 pm

Surf, it certainly sounds like your picking on me :nonono: HA!! just kidding, when I talk about a power forward, I'm not necessarily talking a starter. I just think this team would do a lot better to have someone to enforce the paint with Dwight, a mean cuss kind of like Oakley was. I don't necessarily think a shooting guard upgrade is necessary right now, as we're playing well and Mo and Bogans seem to be working in there roles.

I see what you mean about our expirings, and I'm not staunchly against using them. I would prefer that we stay away from Mike Miller and keep Keyon Dooling though. Arroyo, Redick, and Garrity can all go.
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Post#34 » by surflawyer » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:30 pm

Max Power wrote: keep Keyon Dooling though.


RIGHT ON!

I would love a PF but I have yet to find one for sale or in our ballpark.
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Post#35 » by Devin 1L » Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:20 pm

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Not picking on you Max but Ive heard a lot of posts saying "so and so is not what we need. We need a PF."

Could someone please post a PF that is available and one that could be got with our expirings and a pick!

Its like saying your going to divorce your wife because Jessica Simpson is Hot. If we aint got a chance at a PF who cares if we need or want one. Lets improve the team as best we can.

Once the expirings "expire" they arent worth squat!!!


But who says that Miller is available?

Whether you want a SG, PF, PG or Jessica Simpson, it's all speculation.

Just because they made a seemingly lopsided deal with the Lakers and someone proposed a trade here on RealGM, doesn't actually make Miller available.

I had mentioned Pachulia not long ago because I think not only could he fill a need, but he could probably be had for virtually nothing. Possibly just an expiring contract. He makes 4 mil/year.

Another person who I've read that the Jazz are rumored to be after is Jeff Foster. I think he would be a great addition here. I don't know if he is actually available, but I don't really see him as any more of a stretch than Mike Miller (i.e. not Jessica Simpson, in your example.)
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Post#36 » by djthesonicsfan » Mon Feb 4, 2008 10:47 pm

surflawyer wrote:I would love a PF but I have yet to find one for sale or in our ballpark.

Kurt Thomas is available. He's got an expiring contract & lots of game left (7.6 pts, 51%, 9.1 rbds, 1.0 blks, 26 min). And he's a high character guy.

A deal packaging Kurt Thomas, Delonte West & Earl Watson has been discussed on the trade board.
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Post#37 » by cedric76 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:49 pm

memphis is gonna dump miller for expiering contract

what i like from miller

-legit 2
-can hit 3pt
-can pass the ball

hedo kind of player

trade i'd be willing to make with memphis:

miller for arroyo+pat

nelson,dooling
miller,evans,jj
hedo,bogans
lewis,cook
howard,foyle,battie

miller+2008 pick for arroyo+pat+jj

that'd give us 2 2008 1st to try to move up to grab a nice PG,every other position would be locked
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#38 » by laVal03 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:07 pm

they aren't going to give us miller and a pick for 2 scrubs and a guy that can't crack our lineup

if anyone was throwing in a pick it would be us but of coarse I would do either of those trades
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Post#39 » by cedric76 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:26 pm

i think they really want to cut as much payroll as they can

what they did with pau is a big sign
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#40 » by Devin 1L » Thu Feb 7, 2008 3:53 am

cedric76 wrote:memphis is gonna dump miller for expiering contract


How do you know this?

Also, what were those deals that you were guaranteeing last season?

This is a genuine question, as I remember you repeatedly guaranteeing some trades last year, but I can't remember what they were or if they ever happened.

Was one regarding Marcus Banks?

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