Jamison vs Turkoglu

Cammo101 · Post #41 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:10 am

Clearly. Because no one has had playoff success like Gilbert Arenas. Turk has been deeper into the playoffs than Gilbert has. Arenas is a lot of things, but great playoff go to guy is not one of them. So good luck in the first round with Cleveland, that usually goes well for ya.

Post #42 » by **miller31time** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:19 am

I really don't want to get into a petty argument, but Gilbert (despite missing 2 free throws which, by all means was very unclutch) put up ridiculous numbers in his one series against the Cavaliers. In the other series, both he and Butler could not play as most know.

But in that one series he was healthy for, he put up 34ppg, 5.5rebs, 5.3asts, 2.2stls, 0.7blks shooting 46.4% from the field and 43.5% from downtown. No one will say he was as good or better than LeBron in that series, but conversely, no one would say he wasn't damn close.

In his only other playoff appearance against the Bulls in 04-05, he effectively ended Chicago's chances of winning the series with a game-winning jump-shot in gm 5.

Cammo101 · Post #43 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:21 am

miller31time wrote:I really don't want to get into a petty argument, but Gilbert (despite missing 2 free throws which, by all means was very unclutch) put up ridiculous numbers in his one series against the Cavaliers. In the other series, both he and Butler could not play as most know.

But in that one series he was healthy for, he put up 34ppg, 5.5rebs, 5.3asts, 2.2stls, 0.7blks shooting 46.4% from the field and 43.5% from downtown. No one will say he was as good or better than LeBron in that series, but conversely, no one would say he wasn't damn close.

In his only other playoff appearance against the Bulls in 04-05, he effectively ended Chicago's chances of winning the series with a game-winning jump-shot in gm 5.

Gilbert is an awsome player, it was the Wiz fan that called him a great clutch player. I like Gilbert and Jamison, I just think Jamison is being overrated in this thread because people are just picking on party lines. Arenas is a very good player, but Hedo already has more game winners this year than Arenas has had in any season in his career. Food for thought.

yungal07 · Post #44 » by **yungal07** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:21 am

Cammo101 wrote:Clearly. Because no one has had playoff success like Gilbert Arenas. Turk has been deeper into the playoffs than Gilbert has. Arenas is a lot of things, but great playoff go to guy is not one of them. So good luck in the first round with Cleveland, that usually goes well for ya.

Turk has been deeper in the playoffs than Arenas. True. And Nazr Muhammad has been farther in the playoffs than Dwight Howard, and has more rings to boot.

Nice logic. :roll:

You're not even worth arguing with anymore. Go to bed.

Cammo101 · Post #45 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:22 am

yungal07 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Turk has been deeper in the playoffs than Arenas. True. And Nazr Muhammad has been farther in the playoffs than Dwight Howard, and has more rings to boot.

Nice logic.

You're not even worth arguing with anymore. Go to bed.

Says the guy who called Arenas clutch. He's been about as clutch as Nick Anderson in the playoffs. :rofl:

Post #46 » by **miller31time** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:27 am

Cammo101 wrote:Gilbert is an awsome player, it was the Wiz fan that called him a great clutch player. I like Gilbert and Jamison, I just think Jamison is being overrated in this thread because people are just picking on party lines. Arenas is a very good player, but Hedo already has more game winners this year than Arenas has had in any season in his career. Food for thought.

Having one un-clutch moment doesn't classify a player as "un-clutch". Arenas had numerous game-winners last season, and already has a playoff game-winner. Heck, in the game he missed 2 free throws (against the Cavs), guess why we even had the chance to get into overtime? Washington was down 3 with a few seconds left in regulation and Arenas nailed (with everyone knowing who the ball was going to) a DEEP 3 pointer, heavily contested, as the buzzer went off. People are so quick to remember the overtime when he missed 2 free throws, but so quick to forget why we were in overtime in the first place.

Is Hedo more clutch than Gilbert? Quite possibly. But it's insane to call Gilbert an "un-clutch" player. I don't know if I could find you a basketball fan (non-Wizards, of course) who would say otherwise.

Cammo101 · Post #47 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:30 am

I wouldn't call Arenas clutch, nor would I call him unclutch. He shoots every big shot for Washington, so it stands to reason he would have some game winners. Clutch is not a one guy per team thing. Arenas is just a good player who takes every last shot and makes them roughly at the average he makes any shot IMO. As apposed to Turk who, FOR THIS YEAR (pay attention yung), is shooting vastly higher % in crunch time. He is 5th in 4th quarter scoring behind 4 future hall of famers and has more than 10 game winning shots before the halfway mark. There is a subtle difference there.

That is not to demeen the 2 Wiz guys being discussed, both of whom I enjoy watching.

Post #48 » by **miller31time** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:35 am

Unrelated to Hedo, do you know how much more difficult a last-second shot is than a normal, in-the-flow-of-a-game shot? Then, did you take into account the fact that EVERYONE in the arena knows who the ball is going to, and that the opposing team's defense is going to be completely focused on stopping one player? Having a crunch-time fg% equal to the player's normal fg% is incredible. Once again, I don't need Turkoglu's statistics to contradict this. I'm sure he shoots well at the end of games - probably better than Gilbert.

Cammo101 · Post #49 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:40 am

miller31time wrote:Unrelated to Hedo, do you know how much more difficult a last-second shot is than a normal, in-the-flow-of-a-game shot? Then, did you take into account the fact that EVERYONE in the arena knows who the ball is going to, and that the opposing team's defense is going to be completely focused on stopping one player? Having a crunch-time fg% equal to the player's normal fg% is incredible. Once again, I don't need Turkoglu's statistics to contradict this. I'm sure he shoots well at the end of games - probably better than Gilbert.

Agreed, but my point is that most star players can say this exact same thing.

Teddy KGB · Post #50 » by **Teddy KGB** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:50 am

HEDO TO TEH TRIPLE DOUBLE??!?!?!?!?

why against us, buddy? WHY???

Cammo101 · Post #51 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:59 am

ss_maverick wrote:HEDO TO TEH TRIPLE DOUBLE??!?!?!?!?

why against us, buddy? WHY???

Seeing as how Josh Howard is just chucking it up without looking, we will call it even.

Teddy KGB · Post #52 » by **Teddy KGB** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:04 am

lol

is this Hedo's first TD?

Cammo101 · Post #53 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:15 am

[quote="ss_maverick"]lol

is this Hedo's first TD?[/quote

Yep. Oddly he hasn't had a very good game.

Jamison vs Turkoglu

who ya got??