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OT: Ravens seriously considering trading for McNabb

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OT: Ravens seriously considering trading for McNabb 

Post#1 » by sixers_610 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:54 am

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/ ... Nabb_.html


It's been on my mind all day. We now have two teams to deal with in this division. Can McNabb win us the division (& more) or is it time to take a few steps back?
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Post#2 » by Nofx8881 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:02 am

McNabb can still get the Eagles to a Super Bowl. The Eagles need another playmaker or two on defense, a top notch WR would help, too.

I'd love for them to get Jared Allen on D and try to get one of the WR that is supposedly going to be available this offseason.

What people don't realize is that if the Eagles trade McNabb, they automatically go into rebuilding mode. Kevin Kolb has played what, 3 snaps in the NFL? He can't lead a team right now. As good of a backup as AJ Feeley is, that is exactly what he is - a very good backup. Once he becomes a starter he just goes downhill. Don't know why, but it's true. And yes, I remember when he went 4-1 or whatever 3 or 4 years ago. I also remember when he went like 11-20 as a starter for 2 teams (I have no idea if that was actually his record) and I remember him literally throwing away the Patriots game earlier this year.

There are no top QBs available this offseason through the draft or as a FA as far as I know. What is the 8th pick (any deal for McNabb would have to start with the Ravens 8th pick) going to do for the Eagles when they no longer have a QB?

The defense was pretty good this past season so add another pass rusher (Allen) to go along with Cole and get rid of Kearse's (or Howard's or both's) contract. Draft a defensive back. Get a WR. The Eagles can be good next year. I don't see that being a problem. They were 8-8 this season, just missed the playoffs, and lost 5 of their games by 3 points or less. if they even won 2 of those, they would have been 10-6 and no one would be bitching about the season because they would have made the playoffs.

And oh yeah, they may want to find a new kicker. I love Akers but he just doesn't have it anymore.
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Post#3 » by Dedicated_76ers_fan » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:17 am

You realize those are alot of holes and you just can't sign those guys through the draft or acquire them through free agency.

And don't give me "Well, the Patriots did it", The Patriots got away with the biggest thief free agency in history. Whoever thought Randy Moss would be back to himself? Or Wes Welker would turn out to be that guy? Or that Stallworth could be that guy that bails them out occasionally? That was a FA that will never again occur in the history of sports.

Rebuliding doesn't mean sucking, it means getting pieces in other ways then one would like. For example: You can get that 8th pick, Steve McNair(or Kyle Boller) and a defensive back/kicker in the trade with the Ravens. Sometimes you HAVE to rebulid if you want to win.
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Post#4 » by SendEm » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:19 am

The Eagles could have been just as good or better the last 5 years with another good quarterback. McNabb is just a "Neil O'Donnell" type quarterback who is now on a major decline. The ride is over and it's time to drop McNabb off...
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Post#5 » by sixers_610 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:19 am

All good points Nofx.
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Post#6 » by sixers_610 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:20 am

SendEm, thanks for making me depressed.

Do the Flyers have any chance of winning a cup this year?
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Post#7 » by sixers_610 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:22 am

We need ocho cinco
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Post#8 » by SendEm » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:31 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:You realize those are alot of holes and you just can't sign those guys through the draft or acquire them through free agency.

And don't give me "Well, the Patriots did it", The Patriots got away with the biggest thief free agency in history. Whoever thought Randy Moss would be back to himself? Or Wes Welker would turn out to be that guy? Or that Stallworth could be that guy that bails them out occasionally? That was a FA that will never again occur in the history of sports.

Rebuliding doesn't mean sucking, it means getting pieces in other ways then one would like. For example: You can get that 8th pick, Steve McNair(or Kyle Boller) and a defensive back/kicker in the trade with the Ravens. Sometimes you HAVE to rebulid if you want to win.


The Patriots knew that each of those wide receivers were going to do what that accomplished during the regular season. Each player fit their role perfectly even before they took the field for the Patriots, just look at their past stats and performances in the NFL. Free agent signings like that can and will happen when the coach and GM work in concert perfectly and move towards the same vision on the field.
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Post#9 » by Nofx8881 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:31 am

Dedicated_76ers_fan wrote:You realize those are alot of holes and you just can't sign those guys through the draft or acquire them through free agency.

And don't give me "Well, the Patriots did it", The Patriots got away with the biggest thief free agency in history. Whoever thought Randy Moss would be back to himself? Or Wes Welker would turn out to be that guy? Or that Stallworth could be that guy that bails them out occasionally? That was a FA that will never again occur in the history of sports.

Rebuliding doesn't mean sucking, it means getting pieces in other ways then one would like. For example: You can get that 8th pick, Steve McNair(or Kyle Boller) and a defensive back/kicker in the trade with the Ravens. Sometimes you HAVE to rebulid if you want to win.


Where did I say that the Eagles could just sign all the free agents they want and make it to the Super Bowl? I didn't.

What is so absurd about them signing Jared Allen? He's a free agent. The Eagles (I have heard) have expressed interest in him. Kearse and Howard are probably done here. The Eagles need another pass rushing DE to go with Trent Cole who had 12.5 sacks this season. They have cap space. I see no reason why signing Allen is impossible.

Nor do I see a reason why drafting or signing a defensive back would be impossible. I didn't say they could get Champ Bailey. I just said a defensive back. Lito is always injured. He's good, but he's only good for the 11 games a season that he plays.

Getting a WR would be the only issue that I can understand the Eagles not having too much control over. Fitzgerald will be available, but he's also owed something like $30 million over the next 2 seasons. Johnson might be available, he might not. Same goes for Moss. There are WR out there, I just don't know if the Eagles can get any of them.

As for rebuilding, no it doesn't mean sucking but when you're trading your starting QB it usually doesn't mean making the playoffs either. As for your trade idea, Boller is worse than any QB currently on the roster and if you think McNabb is getting old, you've never seen Steve McNair play. The only way I trade McNabb to the Ravens is for the 8th pick, a re-signed Terrell Suggs, and some other throw in. And since I don't see the Ravens doing that, I don't particularly want to trade McNabb. And even if the Ravens would do that trade, I still don't think it's that great. Perhaps the Eagles could just go all out and get a bunch of defensive talent and hope the defense can carry them for a season while Kolb gets experience or something.
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Post#10 » by Welfare Fraud » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:38 am

McNabb should be better next season, so I'd like to keep him unless we can get a great deal in return, which probably won't happen.

The Eagles need:
- punt/kick returner
- DE
- CB (or two)
- Safety (or two, depending on how well Dawkins can play next year)
- Should probably start looking for some young O-lineman
- TE (unless they believe Celek can get the job done.. I'm not sure where I stand on that)
- Another WR if Andy is going to continue to be pass happy. Doesn't need to be a dominate #1 (there are only a handful of them) but they need 1 more decent one.
- I'd like to see them get a big MLB and move Gaither outside. TKO didn't play great last year, I wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. Not a big need though.
- A kicker.. not confident in Akers anymore
- And the biggest need of all.. a new head coach

Dedicated, Moss and Welker were acquired by trade not free agency.
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Post#11 » by THFM » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:09 am

Eagles need to keep Mcnabb for one more year, they need to trade there 1st or 2nd round pick for Chad Johson then try and sign Asante Sameul
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Post#12 » by 76erinSJ » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:09 am

I hate the Eagles ( Im a Cowboys Flyers Sixers and Phillies fan ) but do not compare Neil Odonnell to Mcnabb. That is down right disrespectful and shows that you know nothing about football just like basketball. Mcnabb would be great on the Bears or Ravens.
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Post#13 » by PhillyRocks1 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 10:53 am

8th pick/McNair/Kicker? For McNabb. Are you kidding me?

They aren't as far off as stupid eagle fans think they are. One WR could have a major impact, a TE could have major impact and a DE would have a major impact.

Expect 2 of those 3. Expect a big signing or 2.
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Post#14 » by philbe311 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 2:06 pm

76erinSJ wrote: Im a Cowboys Flyers Sixers and Phillies fan


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Post#15 » by bebopdeluxe » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:22 pm

McNabb's contract value jumps pretty dramatically after 2008 - from roughly $6 mil this season to well over $9 mill in 2009 and $10 mil in 2010...so I think the team has two choices:

1) Keep McNabb and (as Chris Moneymaker would do), go "all in" for a Lombardi in 2008; or

2) Trade McNabb while his relatively-low 2008 contract value is still a reasonably valuable commodity.

I am actually fine with either choice...but I would prefer going for it in 2008...we have two starting OT's who aren't getting any younger, a future HOF safety who might have one more high-quality year left in him, etc...

So...if we keep McNabb with the designs to win it all in 2008, we should (IMO);

1) Franchise LJ Smith for one year;

2) REALLY push the Bengals to see if they have interest in trading Johnson...given how bad their defense was last season, perhaps we could get "ocho cinco" for a defensive player (Ramsey? Abiamiri?) and a 2nd/3rd round pick;

3) Sign Jared Allen - the Giants showed the value of turning up the heat on the DL...Allen/Cole/Patterson/Bunkley would be a high-quality DL...

If the Eagles are not prepared to be VERY aggressive this offseason (and with both the Cowboys and Giants in our division, I don't see any other rational approach that they can take this offseason), then they might as well trade McNabb and start the 2-3 year rebuilding process now. The reality is that the Giants and Cowboys have raised the bar in the NFC East, and we either need to rise to the challenge or retool.
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Post#16 » by dbodner » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:24 pm

I am actually fine with either choice...but I would prefer going for it in 2008...we have two starting OT's who aren't getting any younger, a future HOF safety who might have one more high-quality year left in him, etc...


Not to mention, a franchise running back who will be 29 this year. Who knows whether or not he'll still be viable after a rebuilding.

That being said, if they're going to go for another run, they have to go ALL IN this year. Even if that means hurting their flexibility in future years.
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Post#17 » by SendEm » Tue Feb 5, 2008 3:31 pm

I think B. Dawk has many years left, but at strong safety. They need to move him to strong safety NOW and bring in a guy with speed and talent to play FS. I never want to see Constadine or Mikell on the field as starters again. Andy Reid sucks as a GM. He consistently drafts players on the first day of the draft that end up being cut or on the bench. Our best years were when Andy was coaching players that he didn't draft.
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Post#18 » by Salvistine24 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:36 pm

even if we trade mcnabb for the 8th pick...do u really trust the front office to make the right decision...the eagles drafting has been suspect at best over the years...

they make great evaluations on their own players especailly when to let them go but ive never been too impressed with their picks...to me theyve hit with bunkley, cole was a steal, and the westbrook/lito/sheldon year was great...but theyve not been able to acquire that depth or playmakers through the draft especially recently...reggie brown is a player in this league but is he more than a #3 wr being shoved into a #1 type role...is patterson really that much of a game changer or did his improvement come from bunkley being dominant next to him?...mccoy, ware, barry gardener, fredex, mcmullen and even lj to an extent were huge busts taken with early picks that teams need to hit for depth purposes

it just seems to me the guys the eagles draft in rounds 1/2 turn out to be the depth guys while guys drafted in rounds 2-5 dont live up to expectations...u need play makers with those early picks and i think they just get avg players who can be starters but not stars...that cant happen and i think its caught up to them over time (but i do acknowledge it is tough to draft studs late in the first round but theyve traded up a few times and theyve taken plenty of "iffy" picks over the years)
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Post#19 » by THFM » Tue Feb 5, 2008 5:50 pm

IF EAGLES DO TRADE MCNABB we better get the 8th pick and ed reed if we dont then the deal is a failure
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Post#20 » by CPops57 » Tue Feb 5, 2008 6:53 pm

They didn't make the playoffs, but the Eagles still aren't a horrible team.

I think that they believe that they're close enough to keep McNabb and try and win it all. But the key to doing that is to really add a few pieces and make some risks.

If they're not willing to do that, then they're probably better off seriously assessing the offers for McNabb (and other good older players as well) and rebuilding.

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