Sixers @ Hawks 2/4/08

[SendEm]

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This season isn't over yet genius, and he is averaging 18 ppg which is his high for his career.

Smiths PER is 4th in the league among power forwards, behind only Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer.

Smith also gets to the ft line so his true shooting percentage of 51.1% is better than Sheed (50.9%) and only slightly behind David West (52.4%).

That just goes to show you just how meaningless those stats truly are...

[conleyorbust]

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The difference is that we already know that Tim Duncan's team more than likely came out on the winning side of the game and Tim Duncan more than likely was the reason for it. A few of those games that I posted Josh Smith played absolutely horribly and Atlanta got blown off the court. :rofl:

Is that the difference?

Tim Duncan's team went 3-3 in those games.

In the games you posted the Hawks went 2-3 (the Marion/Stoudamire post was from the same game). Of course, as tontoz said Smith didn't guard all those guys.

[tontoz]

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That just goes to show you just how meaningless those stats truly are...

Yeah because everyone knows Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer are sooooooo overrated.

I guess you are the one who decides which stats are important and which aren't, depending on whatever argument you are trying to make.

[noone]

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Yeah because everyone knows Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer are sooooooo overrated.

I guess you are the one who decides which stats are important and which aren't, depending on whatever argument you are trying to make.

You're wasting your time...

[The Sixer Fixer]

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I guess you are the one who decides which stats are important and which aren't, depending on whatever argument you are trying to make.

Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winner.

[SendEm]

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Yeah because everyone knows Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer are sooooooo overrated.

I guess you are the one who decides which stats are important and which aren't, depending on whatever argument you are trying to make.

It's real simple, no numbers will convince me that Josh Smith is in the same realm of professional basketball player as Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer. If Josh Smith ranks anywhere near those players numerically and there isn't some kind of huge numerical separation between them and Josh Smith then the numbers are SERIOUSLY flawed.

Josh Smith blocks shots from the small forward position, once he loses an inch off of his vertical leap or gets comfortable once he signs a fat long term guaranteed contract he then becomes useless. He already has proven that he can't improve his jump shot. So once he signs a long term deal people are then banking on him coming to play hard EVERY NIGHT like he is in the last year of his contract just like this year.

[tontoz]

It's real simple, no numbers will convince me that Josh Smith is in the same realm of professional basketball player as Garnett, Dirk, Bosh and Boozer.

Why don't you name the other players in the league that are top 10 in blocks and steals. Hint: those 4 aren't.

So once he signs a long term deal people are then banking on him coming to play hard EVERY NIGHT

He has been playing hard every year. He just hasn't always played well. He has always been intense and has consistently worked hard to improve his game, but his skills were extremely raw coming into the league.

He is the most competitive player on the team and truly hates to lose. I doubt that will change once he signs a big deal.

I don't think any of us Hawks fans saw him becoming this good this quickly after watching his rookie year.


You are simply clueless, judging by your posts and the opinions of other Sixer fans.

[SendEm]

Blocks and steals can be overrated, especially when the blocks are coming from a SF and the steals are coming from a player that gambles all game. Josh Howard is a better SF than Josh Smith...Josh Smith is a SF being put into the best position to perform on a horrible team filled with SF's. Josh Smith is a gimmick NBA player and an "All Star fantasy basketball player." Having a SF be the center of a teams defense sounds like precisely the kind of move a historically bad team like Atlanta would do. Now Atlanta will have to pay out of the arse for him in the summer just because he averages 1 more block than he naturally would have if he guarded the perimeter like a typical SF.

Josh Smith is a gimmick NBA player and a fantasy basketball super hero. LMAOOooooo

[The Sixer Fixer]

SendEm, since once again, you seem to be able to predict the future on every player and how they will turn out, I ask you this...

Rather than naming all these players like Howard, Martin, Blatche, etc. that you love and are not acquireable, how about you tell me from the FA class this year, who would be the best target for the Sixers? I'm kinda curious to see who you think is the best fit for them. Again, don't give me names of players who have long-term contracts with their current teams or players who are yet to be FA's like Wade and LeBron...limit it to those who can be had this offseason. It's obvious you don't like Iguodala, Josh Smith, Brand (if he opts out) or Calderon. Is there anyone you like?

[tontoz]

Blocks and steals can be overrated, especially when the blocks are coming from a SF and the steals are coming from a player that gambles all game. Josh Howard is a better SF

I agree. Fortunately Smith plays the 4.

Josh Smith is a gimmick NBA player

I think the Sixers coach and players beg to differ:

"Josh Smith changes the game with his blocked shots," Sixers coach Maurice Cheeks said.

"He is one of those rare players," said Andre Iguodala, who scored 22 points despite suffering flulike symptoms. "Nobody in the league is doing what he is doing, concerning scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, and getting assists and steals."

"This is very disappointing," said Samuel Dalembert, who contributed nine points, 13 rebounds and five blocks. ". . . To me, [Smith] was unbelievable."

I think they know better than you.

[SendEm]

SendEm, since once again, you seem to be able to predict the future on every player and how they will turn out, I ask you this...

Rather than naming all these players like Howard, Martin, Blatche, etc. that you love and are not acquireable, how about you tell me from the FA class this year, who would be the best target for the Sixers? I'm kinda curious to see who you think is the best fit for them. Again, don't give me names of players who have long-term contracts with their current teams or players who are yet to be FA's like Wade and LeBron...limit it to those who can be had this offseason. It's obvious you don't like Iguodala, Josh Smith, Brand (if he opts out) or Calderon. Is there anyone you like?

When it comes to players that I like it doesn't work in a "choose from this here group of players" kind of way...Either I see that you have the right skills to compete against the elite for a championship or I believe that you don't. I can't recall ever being high on a player and having that player be a disappointment in my whole life, but I have in the past not-been-high on a player and that player became good. I like who I like, just like I think that OJ Mayo is going to be a real factor in the NBA while people are down on him.

[SendEm]

Blocks and steals can be overrated, especially when the blocks are coming from a SF and the steals are coming from a player that gambles all game. Josh Howard is a better SF

I agree. Fortunately Smith plays the 4.

Josh Smith is a gimmick NBA player

I think the Sixers coach and players beg to differ:

"Josh Smith changes the game with his blocked shots," Sixers coach Maurice Cheeks said.

"He is one of those rare players," said Andre Iguodala, who scored 22 points despite suffering flulike symptoms. "Nobody in the league is doing what he is doing, concerning scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, and getting assists and steals."

"This is very disappointing," said Samuel Dalembert, who contributed nine points, 13 rebounds and five blocks. ". . . To me, [Smith] was unbelievable."

I think they know better than you.

And? He whopped their arse. You won't see me type anything disputing that. They all sound like a bunch of prize fighters that just got thoroughly beaten and knocked out in the 12th round of a 12 rounder. However, the guy that knocked them out only did so because he is a middle weight going up against light weights. Put Josh Smith up against some heavy weights, super heavy weights, welter weights. and see what happens...I already proved that with the post I made showing the shooting percentages of quality forwards and centers against Atlanta.

[The Sixer Fixer]

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When it comes to players that I like it doesn't work in a "choose from this here group of players" kind of way...Either I see that you have the right skills to compete against the elite for a championship or I believe that you don't.

Huh? I don't understand that at all. So you can't take a pool of players and tell me who you like and who you don't. How do you know you like Blatche, K. Martin and other than? Aren't they pulled from a pool pf players in the NBA?

Basically you look at the FA's and tell me who has those "skills" you speak about and who doesn't. How is that any different than looking at a random player like Blatche and telling me he's got the "it' factor? It is cause you don't know enough about the FA class or is it something else?

[tontoz]

I already proved that with the post I made showing the shooting percentages of quality forwards and centers against Atlanta.

You proved your ignorance and nothing else. Just because those guys scored well against a rookie Horford has no relevance to Smith.

Horford wasn't here last season. What did those guys do against the hawks last year?

*crickets*

And how is it that the Hawks are 8th in the league in defensive efficiency? Is it magic?

[SendEm]

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Huh? I don't understand that at all. So you can't take a pool of players and tell me who you like and who you don't. How do you know you like Blatche, K. Martin and other than? Aren't they pulled from a pool pf players in the NBA?

Basically you look at the FA's and tell me who has those "skills" you speak about and who doesn't. How is that any different than looking at a random player like Blatche and telling me he's got the "it' factor? It is cause you don't know enough about the FA class or is it something else?

What don't you understand about me voluntarily offering up that I like Blatche's skills but I'm not naturally inclined to jump out of that same window for any of the restricted free agents or people who can opt out of their contracts this summer? Is that plain enough for you? You may WANT me to jump out of that window but I will not. I will say again that I would trade Iggy+Jason Smith for Blatch+Nick Young. If I were the Sixers GM that trade would get done today and I also wouldn't have to worry about resigning an easily replaceable SG/SF that turned down a contract paying $11.5 million per season...

[The Sixer Fixer]

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What don't you understand about me voluntarily offering up that I like Blatche's skills but I'm not naturally inclined to jump out of that same window for any of the restricted free agents or people who can opt out of their contracts this summer? Is that plain enough for you?

All this tells me is you are very limited in what you know about players around the league. If you are familar with the FA class, I would think it's real simple to tell me who has the skills you look for and who doesn't. To pull a random guy like Blatche, who I'm assuming you have seen a handful of times (max), and make all these posts about him, I'm shocked you can't evaluate other guys the same way. Especially ones who actually get significant playing time and have been in the league for much longer.

[SendEm]

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All this tells me is you are very limited in what you know about players around the league. If you are familar with the FA class, I would think it's real simple to tell me who has the skills you look for and who doesn't. To pull a random guy like Blatche, who I'm assuming you have seen a handful of times (max), and make all these posts about him, I'm shocked you can't evaluate other guys the same way. Especially ones who actually get significant playing time and have been in the league for much longer.

You sound as if you would be a Billy King type GM always patching holes. I'm more of a visionary every move would be a move going forward even if in the short term it sets us back as a team. That very same move will get the team to a much greater position later, just like when Mitch turned down the J.Kidd deal. J Kidd would have made the Lakers better in the short term. No Doubt Billy King would have pulled the trigger on that J. Kidd trade...

[conleyorbust]

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And? He whopped their arse. You won't see me type anything disputing that. They all sound like a bunch of prize fighters that just got thoroughly beaten and knocked out in the 12th round of a 12 rounder. However, the guy that knocked them out only did so because he is a middle weight going up against light weights. Put Josh Smith up against some heavy weights, super heavy weights, welter weights. and see what happens...I already proved that with the post I made showing the shooting percentages of quality forwards and centers against Atlanta.

What does that prizefighter analogy mean? You "proved" as much as I did when I posted percentages of quality forwards and centers against San Antonio, nothing.

Anyway, as tontoz mentioned, the Hawks are a good defensive team and the only elite defensive player we have is Josh Smith.

Why don't you like Brand?

[Sixerscan]

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You sound as if you would be a Billy King type GM always patching holes. I'm more of a visionary every move would be a move going forward even if in the short term it sets us back as a team. That very same move will get the team to a much greater position later, just like when Mitch turned down the J.Kidd deal. J Kidd would have made the Lakers better in the short term. No Doubt Billy King would have pulled the trigger on that J. Kidd trade...

... the Lakers got a better player one year later without giving up Bynum or Odom, not the best example.

[76erinSJ]

There is no point continuing this conversation with him Hawk fans. Just give up because he is always right. He quotes numbers that prove him right but you do the same thing and your wrong? Just give up. Go back to talking to other posters who can actually debate with you instead of having a one sided argument. Im sorry you stopped by our forum and were faced with this situation.