I dont think hes made any with the wizards.
For other teams, I know with Milwaukee he traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton. Thats the only one I know about off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are others.
Will EG make a move before the trade deadline?
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Not a trade, but I recall the release of 'Free' Chucky Atkins.
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Okay researching trade history, most of EG's moves are in the offseason. One big ticket item mid-season: Swapping Ray Allen and Flip Murray, Kevin Ollie and the pick that became Luke Ridnour -- for-- Glove + Dez Mason.
At the request of Coach Karl.
Midseason trades for the Knicks:
--Picked up vet PG Derek Harper (traded Tony Campbell) became the PG for the next couple seasons.
--The Latrell Spreewell trade (John Starks et al to the Warriors).
Everything else was either a minor trade (no real effect to either team) or was an offseason deal.
But feel free to check it out yourself with this transaction search I found with a bit of google witchdoctoring.
http://www.n-c-systems.com/hoops/Search/Search.php
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Okay researching trade history, most of EG's moves are in the offseason. One big ticket item mid-season: Swapping Ray Allen and Flip Murray, Kevin Ollie and the pick that became Luke Ridnour -- for-- Glove + Dez Mason.
At the request of Coach Karl.
Midseason trades for the Knicks:
--Picked up vet PG Derek Harper (traded Tony Campbell) became the PG for the next couple seasons.
--The Latrell Spreewell trade (John Starks et al to the Warriors).
Everything else was either a minor trade (no real effect to either team) or was an offseason deal.
But feel free to check it out yourself with this transaction search I found with a bit of google witchdoctoring.
http://www.n-c-systems.com/hoops/Search/Search.php
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I know none of us are exactly in a rush to trade AJ since we've been playing well even without Arenas, but it is of note that this will effectively be the last opportnity to trade the man for a Gasol/JO.
Now, I'm not advocating either (except Gasol) but if there was ever a time, it would be now considering the Pacers/Grizzlies are desperately trying to unload them, that we currently have all the right pieces to make it happen, and that Jamison's value will never be higher.
Now, I'm not advocating either (except Gasol) but if there was ever a time, it would be now considering the Pacers/Grizzlies are desperately trying to unload them, that we currently have all the right pieces to make it happen, and that Jamison's value will never be higher.
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go'stags wrote:I dont think hes made any with the wizards.
For other teams, I know with Milwaukee he traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton. Thats the only one I know about off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are others.
I had thought something happened with Ray Allen. Was that in the off season or before the trade deadline ?
I'm just trying to figure out the mans track record on trades. Seem he does most his work in the offseason.
It doesn't seem like he likes to trade his young talent. I don't see
AB, NY, or OP going anywhere and I don't think DMAC has much value to anyone.
So as other have stated, that leaves a pick, ET, Songaila and the big tickets GA and AJ.
I think EG wants to see what happens when GA returns for the playoff run so that only leaves ET, Songaila and a pick. ET isn't healthy so that leave Songaila and a pick.
So what would help right now is a PG who can defend. That's what we are missing until we get GA back in 1 to 2 months.
But it would only make sense to get someone who would fit once you have GA and AD both healthy. So we are looking for a young PG who can play the 3rd PG ( 2nd right now ) who could one day move up once AD is gone. Or it could be someone we use now but can trade in the off-season.
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hands11 wrote:I had thought something happened with Ray Allen. Was that in the off season or before the trade deadline ?
I'm just trying to figure out the mans track record on trades. Seem he does most his work in the offseason.
Apparently I'm still on ignore with this moron. Somebody quote me so dingleberry can read it & move on.
What I already said:
BUcks:
Ray Allen and Flip Murray, Kevin Ollie and the pick that became Luke Ridnour -- for-- Glove + Dez Mason.[/size]
Knicks:
--Tony Campbell for Derek Harper.
--The Latrell Spreewell trade (John Starks et al to the Warriors).
But feel free to check it out yourself
http://www.n-c-systems.com/hoops/Search/Search.php "
Ridiculous.
Look man, I peeked into your post history on ExtremeSkins and apparently you already pissed off most of the board over there. I have no personal problem with you in particular. So far you mostly amuse me. But man, you waste a ton of time and eyespace asking questions then ignoring the answer. Already you've had resident Wiz expert TSW on ignore, then here asked this same question 3 times but missed the answer because you either a) didn't bother to read it or b) slap the ignore button on anybody with a contrary opinion.
It gets tedious.
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doclinkin wrote:hands11 wrote:I had thought something happened with Ray Allen. Was that in the off season or before the trade deadline ?
I'm just trying to figure out the mans track record on trades. Seem he does most his work in the offseason.
Apparently I'm still on ignore with this moron. Somebody quote me so dingleberry can read it & move on.
What I already said:
BUcks:
Ray Allen and Flip Murray, Kevin Ollie and the pick that became Luke Ridnour -- for-- Glove + Dez Mason.[/size]
Knicks:
--Tony Campbell for Derek Harper.
--The Latrell Spreewell trade (John Starks et al to the Warriors).
But feel free to check it out yourself
http://www.n-c-systems.com/hoops/Search/Search.php "
Ridiculous.
Look man, I peeked into your post history on ExtremeSkins and apparently you already pissed off most of the board over there. I have no personal problem with you in particular. So far you mostly amuse me. But man, you waste a ton of time and eyespace asking questions then ignoring the answer. Already you've had resident Wiz expert TSW on ignore, then here asked this same question 3 times but missed the answer because you either a) didn't bother to read it or b) slap the ignore button on anybody with a contrary opinion.
It gets tedious.
At doc's request.
Oh and I was just wondering if anyone can tell me EG's history of trade deadline moves. Thanks.
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Ernie's transaction history with the Knicks is pretty impressive. He was hired in June of 1991. Here are his significant transactions in his 8 years with the team:
His best moves:
1991 Signed John Starks as an undrafted free agent
1991 Signed Anthony Mason as an undrafted free agent
1994 Traded 1997 pick (#25 overall) for Derek Harper
1994 Traded two 2nd rounders for Doug Christie
1998 Traded Oakley for Camby. This was an absolute STEAL! Camby was instrumental in getting them past Indy and into the Finals in 1999.
1999 Traded Chris Mills and John Starks for Latrell Sprewell. Another gamble that paid off big time. Sprewell was a good player with the Knicks - better than Allan Houston.
His worst moves:
1992 traded a young Mark Jackson plus the 93 first round pick (#26 overall) for Doc Rivers and Charles Smith. He ended up waiving Doc Rivers two years later and Charles Smith was decent for them but nothing special. Of course, Mark Jackson never won anything either.
1996 traded Doug Christie for Willie Anderson.
1996 signed Allan Houston to a huge contract (good player, bad contract)
Looking at his record, he really made very few eggregious mistakes. He overpaid Houston, but ownership had the money to pay the bill. The only decent player he let get away was Doug Christie, and he managed to find several diamonds in the rough.
In a town like New York with a center like Ewing, you don't have the option of tanking to get talent, or losing while developing talent. The fans demand success every year. Accordingly, Grunfeld was more conservative in his stewardship. He tended to draft low risk/low reward players, or trade picks for vets like Derek Harper.
He had the #12 pick in 1991 and used it to draft Greg Anthony. Throughout the rest of the 90's he never picked higher than 18th and usually picked in the late 20's. Nevertheless, the team won an average of 52 games a year despite Ewing being in his decline.
I guess you could knock him for never finding a true steal in the draft. He managed to find a few competent NBA players late in the draft (guys like Charlie Ward, Hubert Davis, Walter McCarty) but never found an above-average starter.
His best moves:
1991 Signed John Starks as an undrafted free agent
1991 Signed Anthony Mason as an undrafted free agent
1994 Traded 1997 pick (#25 overall) for Derek Harper
1994 Traded two 2nd rounders for Doug Christie
1998 Traded Oakley for Camby. This was an absolute STEAL! Camby was instrumental in getting them past Indy and into the Finals in 1999.
1999 Traded Chris Mills and John Starks for Latrell Sprewell. Another gamble that paid off big time. Sprewell was a good player with the Knicks - better than Allan Houston.
His worst moves:
1992 traded a young Mark Jackson plus the 93 first round pick (#26 overall) for Doc Rivers and Charles Smith. He ended up waiving Doc Rivers two years later and Charles Smith was decent for them but nothing special. Of course, Mark Jackson never won anything either.
1996 traded Doug Christie for Willie Anderson.
1996 signed Allan Houston to a huge contract (good player, bad contract)
Looking at his record, he really made very few eggregious mistakes. He overpaid Houston, but ownership had the money to pay the bill. The only decent player he let get away was Doug Christie, and he managed to find several diamonds in the rough.
In a town like New York with a center like Ewing, you don't have the option of tanking to get talent, or losing while developing talent. The fans demand success every year. Accordingly, Grunfeld was more conservative in his stewardship. He tended to draft low risk/low reward players, or trade picks for vets like Derek Harper.
He had the #12 pick in 1991 and used it to draft Greg Anthony. Throughout the rest of the 90's he never picked higher than 18th and usually picked in the late 20's. Nevertheless, the team won an average of 52 games a year despite Ewing being in his decline.
I guess you could knock him for never finding a true steal in the draft. He managed to find a few competent NBA players late in the draft (guys like Charlie Ward, Hubert Davis, Walter McCarty) but never found an above-average starter.
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Actually you were the only person on my ignore list but apparently that won't even make you go away. Sadly, removing you from that list my be less painful then reading your posts and replies when I don't see something you posted.
As for the other board. Who are you, Magnum PI? First your wrong about your remarks and secondly, don't you have anything better to do with your time then try to find year old posts of mine on another board?
If you had a clue and cared to know the truth, it was actually me and a hand full of vets that posted over there trying to keep things smooth with no mod. Then the Wiz got hot and the riff raff fell from the sky. In the absence of a mod and lots of L's like you, the board went to crap.
I was kind of hoping the mods over here would keep things civil.
Actually you were the only person on my ignore list but apparently that won't even make you go away. Sadly, removing you from that list my be less painful then reading your posts and replies when I don't see something you posted.
As for the other board. Who are you, Magnum PI? First your wrong about your remarks and secondly, don't you have anything better to do with your time then try to find year old posts of mine on another board?
If you had a clue and cared to know the truth, it was actually me and a hand full of vets that posted over there trying to keep things smooth with no mod. Then the Wiz got hot and the riff raff fell from the sky. In the absence of a mod and lots of L's like you, the board went to crap.
I was kind of hoping the mods over here would keep things civil.
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hands11 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Actually you were the only person on my ignore list but apparently that won't even make you go away. Sadly, removing you from that list my be less painful then reading your posts and replies when I don't see something you posted.
As for the other board. Who are you, Magnum PI? First your wrong about your remarks and secondly, don't you have anything better to do with your time then try to find year old posts of mine on another board?
If you had a clue and cared to know the truth, it was actually me and a hand full of vets that posted over there trying to keep things smooth with no mod. Then the Wiz got hot and the riff raff fell from the sky. In the absence of a mod and lots of L's like you, the board went to crap.
I was kind of hoping the mods over here would keep things civil.
You calling Doc a Loser?
Get outta here...
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BanndNDC wrote:maybe he meant linguist
cue the Ennio Morricone there's a rustler trying to bring his guns to town and i know a dentist who shoots outlaws as quick as he shoots whiskey.
Or Liberal. Lefty. Loudmouth.
But no, partner, no 'm gunslinger now, no tin badge for me. Them killing days is over. A man has a right to hang up his guns, don't he? And whatever his faults, good, bad or ugly, handsy's a Wiz fan. Plus I was being an ass sorta on purpose, whereas some folks clearly can't help it.
As for trades etc. Yeah the offseason is gonna be mighty interesting, it's alot that rides on what we do the rest of the year or in the post season. But until then, I kinda like the way it's shaping up.
His role unquestioned due to unfortunate injury, our starting center is assured of his importance to the team. Gains confidence brings newfound commitment to the team. Establishes a stranglehold on the position with improved offense, attitude and ironclad defense.
The team builds cohesiveness, establishes a defensive identity, guts out some tough wins, get good minutes for youngsters. Meanwhile our starting PG gets to ride it out and watch the game from a coaching perspective, see how defensive intensity and ball distribution works to make productive players out of sub-allstars, and helps allstars become even more dangerous.
Our two co-captains get to impose their character on the team without peripheral issues and minor distractions. Teaching maturity to young pups and helping the coach impose some order. Will pay dividends down the line having modeled leadership for the reluctant supastar, either teaching him how to do it (lead), or establishing a bit of flex when they need to take him aside rough him up and put a yoke on his exuberance. Get him to do it, not say it. Or back it up.
Meanwhile we establish a solid foundation of roleplayers and bench specialists necessary for a winning team. And give confidence to our opt-out free agent star who looks to stick with a winning situation, give him confidence to re-sign at a fair price locked up long term. And with his injury scare, offer security and a chemistry not seen elsewhere. And since has said he doesn't want to have to carry a team, show him the team will win with or without him. He gets to play x-factor, wild card, lay back and distribute until he's unguarded, then attack. Same way he deferred to Larry until it was time to get loose.
Short bench means our young players get good minutes early to develop confidence and play through mistakes, without learning the bad habits that many rookies and high picks get while playing on losing teams. They learn from a core ( and corps) of high intensity vets. Learn how to win, not just how to play.
Mid season when our starters might be tired out a bit, and our bench struggles to score while playing a couple games with low energy, we add in a 7 foot shooter with a crazy work ethic and good attitude. Infusion of instant points. Same time, our lottery-quality draft pick starts maturing into his role as just-break-glass emergency shooter.
Then we add a high intensity vet just back from a brush with death to play with fire and passion and demonstrate a workout fury, help the team face the Dwight Howards of the game.
And then just in time for the post season push, we add a superstar, eager, wiser, and with a greater appreciation for what the coach was trying to teach and preach since he saw it work from the outside when he wasn't in the game.
Instead of losing talent late (knock wood, cross fingers, pray) we add it late-- without giving up anything. And hopefully find ourselves just getting hot by the time we hit the post season. Adding unstoppable offense to a much improved defense and potentially unmatchable size across the front line. Depth. energy. Chemistry, attitude to spare.
Could work out just right. Dangerous. Again, who's to say the team couldn't get hot like we know they have, and burn through any team in the league. Who's gonna say 'impossible' to a healthy Gil. Who's gonna say "can't" to Tuff Juice?
I think we've beaten every team in the league now, when we're hot. With the possible exception of the Hornets.
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Hey doclinkin
Now that's what I'm talking about. Nice post.
If we are just looking at this years run, things are looking pretty sweet and the pieces and timing of what has happened is awesome for the reason you just posted. Next year and beyond is a little more confusing.
But for this year, if we can add GA talent in a way that maximizes the team, we will make a nice run.
Actually, I'm an advocate of us starting that run right now, even without him. This team has talent. If we just stay healthy I think they will keep getting better. ADs health is the main issue to me right now. When he is out, we don't have anything close to replace him at PG.
We have no back-to-backs till TOR. We should be able to rest up and get some wins while " storing our nuts " because Feb will be tougher.
Now that's what I'm talking about. Nice post.
If we are just looking at this years run, things are looking pretty sweet and the pieces and timing of what has happened is awesome for the reason you just posted. Next year and beyond is a little more confusing.
But for this year, if we can add GA talent in a way that maximizes the team, we will make a nice run.
Actually, I'm an advocate of us starting that run right now, even without him. This team has talent. If we just stay healthy I think they will keep getting better. ADs health is the main issue to me right now. When he is out, we don't have anything close to replace him at PG.
We have no back-to-backs till TOR. We should be able to rest up and get some wins while " storing our nuts " because Feb will be tougher.
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To piggyback on doc's post, I can think of some more "silver lining" with Arenas injury.
If Arenas gets back and volunteers to play on the 2nd unit for a while, it'll allow EJ to cut back the minutes of Jamison and Butler. If we can go 8-10 games with Butler and Jamison each playing just 32 or so minutes, it might give them a chance to rest up for the playoff run.
Ideally, we reinsert Arenas into the starting role with about 10 games to go in the season. The chemistry should be there by playoff time.
If Arenas gets back and volunteers to play on the 2nd unit for a while, it'll allow EJ to cut back the minutes of Jamison and Butler. If we can go 8-10 games with Butler and Jamison each playing just 32 or so minutes, it might give them a chance to rest up for the playoff run.
Ideally, we reinsert Arenas into the starting role with about 10 games to go in the season. The chemistry should be there by playoff time.
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hands11 wrote:We have no back-to-backs till TOR. We should be able to rest up and get some wins while " storing our nuts " because Feb will be tougher.
I believe the quote from EJ is harvest our nuts...
that was hilarious last year.Edit: Found the quote:
he Wizards beat Atlanta, New Jersey, Seattle, Minnesota and Portland at home, but they have a tough road ahead with an away game against Milwaukee, followed by Phoenix at home and San Antonio and Dallas on the road. "We've got to do the Texas two-step," Jordan said. "We have to be like squirrels. We have to harvest our nuts right now, build up some wins for when things get thin later."
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