Shaq traded to Phx; Marion, banks to Miami

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Does Shaq to Phoenix make the Suns better?

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Post#541 » by INKtastic » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:31 pm

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How? You don't run the break with 5 guys. All Shaq has to do is rebound and outlet to get the break going.


They took away one of their best assets on the break in Marion and replaced him with a guy who clearly won't be part of any fast breaks. That says they won't be running as much even if you don't need all 5 guys to run.

Strange, strange move for the team with the best record in the west.
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Post#542 » by gswhoops » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:31 pm

Nash and Shaq expire the same year...coincidence?
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Post#543 » by NetsForce » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:31 pm

This thread title should be:

"Who can the Phoenix Suns beat now that they have traded Marion for Shaq?"
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Post#544 » by MagicalMan » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:35 pm

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You haven't watched Shaq play lately have you? The guy has become a terrible rebounder. If the ball isn't directly landing in that guys lap, he isn't going for it, its why I think its funny when people say the suns offensive/defensive rebounding will improve.


Isnt Shaq known for coasting through a season half asleep, only to come alive come playoff time?
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Post#545 » by Kobay » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:35 pm

Ya and marion expires next year and banks expire the same year as nash. ANd shaq will get old and suns chances of winning increases right?
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Post#546 » by INKtastic » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:37 pm

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Isnt Shaq known for coasting through a season half asleep, only to come alive come playoff time?


How did he come alive last year? What signs are all are there he can do it this year?
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Post#547 » by JD225 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:39 pm

Even if you think this is a good deal you understand Shaq is more than likely to be injured during the regular season. For those x amount of games, the Suns will put out the worst rebounding lineup the league has ever seen.

The Hacka Shaq is going to be really effective against the Suns. Either Shaq is going to go shoot free throws or the Suns have to sub him out and put the worst rebounding lineup in the league to finish games. Marion is everything to that team.

The Suns really need to make adjustments and get some rebounders. I find it kind of funny that they expect him to play the defensive role. Are you kidding me? You just had Kurt Thomas and Shawn Marion and now you traded them :nonono:
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Post#548 » by draft » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:39 pm

The 80's Lakers had Kareem but that never slowed them down.
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Post#549 » by Russ369 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:40 pm

Im just saying this becuase Marcus banks has like 3 years left, and Marion would likely have to be resigned if they didnt trade him, and that contract would of been at least 4 years... So this way they get to drop Shaqs 20 mil, whether they are over the cap or not, and thats quite a break if you ask me... 20 mill coming off the books from just one guy? Thats good...
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Post#550 » by gswhoops » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:43 pm

Kobay wrote:Ya and marion expires next year and banks expire the same year as nash. ANd shaq will get old and suns chances of winning increases right?

So, they let him walk for nothing?

Marion wanted a $20M/yr extension (the same money Shaq's making) for probably at least 3, more likely 4 years. So realistically, Shaq saves them money on the last 2 years of Marion's phantom extension.
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Post#551 » by Nothingface » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:48 pm

Shaq is Shaq. He was the reason LA and Miami won titles.

Sure he has probably declined since, but the team around him is better than he has had.

This changes things.
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Post#552 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:48 pm

-About the Heat making the playoffs or getting close to it


Keep in mind their in the East and are only 10 wins from the 8th spot and we are near the mid season point. They could make a reasonable push to the playoffs. It sounds outlandish now but what if Wade and Marion do form a major dynamic duo? They are two of the best players in the East.
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Post#553 » by Flash3 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:50 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-About the Heat making the playoffs or getting close to it


Keep in mind their in the East and are only 10 wins from the 8th spot and we are near the mid season point. They could make a reasonable push to the playoffs. It sounds outlandish now but what if Wade and Marion do form a major dynamic duo? They are two of the best players in the East.
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Post#554 » by Flash3 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:51 pm

Riley works his magic, AGAIN! :lol:

People doubted Riley, yet just about every Heat fan knew their was a plan in place come 2010 (When Shaq gets off the books), but people blew that off.

Now, that plan has since been speeded up 1-2 years, and this franchise can now return to glory quicker than anyone could've imagined.

Go Heat!
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Post#555 » by MagicalMan » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:52 pm

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How did he come alive last year? What signs are all are there he can do it this year?


Well technically he averaged 19/9 in that series, upping his numbers from his season averages of 17/7. Therefore he did play better in the post season which like I said he is known for.
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Post#556 » by MagicalMan » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:55 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-About the Heat making the playoffs or getting close to it


Keep in mind their in the East and are only 10 wins from the 8th spot and we are near the mid season point. They could make a reasonable push to the playoffs. It sounds outlandish now but what if Wade and Marion do form a major dynamic duo? They are two of the best players in the East.


Thats also assuming that every other team in the East continues to play as poorly as they have been. Its probable that some teams on the bubble will go on a run at some point.
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Post#557 » by NapoleonII » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:57 pm

**** you Steve Kerr.
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Post#558 » by HarlemHeat37 » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:03 pm

I feel like many people are ignoring some key factors here..

-Phoenix may have the best record in the West, but I've seen many Suns fans post this on their board..their record makes them look better than they actually are..

I don't believe Phoenix could have won a title with that roster..when they traded Kurt Thomas away and didn't replace him, that took away any fear I had of the Suns..last time I checked, they were dead last in the paint defensively..look at all the numbers that opposing bigs have posted on them this year..this will just increase in the playoffs..they needed to make a move..whether it was the correct move or not is impossible to judge at this point..

-Shaq is still a good player when he's healthy and committed..from what I've seen of him this year, his main problems seem to be conditioning and his health..he picks up bad fouls, and he is forced to take bad shots because he can't move..surely Shaq MUST have given a verbal commitment to the Suns management for them to make this trade..

-Shaq will find a way to fit..he's been one of the best players in NBA history, and he's always played with a high basketball IQ..obviously that will help the Suns, especially when you combine it with a guy that has one of the top basketball IQ's in the NBA in Steve Nash..

-Shawn Marion might be the most overrated player in the NBA..I'm not saying he's a bad player, because he isn't..he's a good 3rd option to have on your team..but I don't even notice him half the time when he's on the floor, probably because he's disappeared vs. my team in the playoffs, and that has been Phoenix most important series at times..I don't buy into the whole Marion hype..

all this is a huge gamble..they needed to make a move, and they did..Shaq doesn't have to dominate or lead them to a title..they have 2 other all-NBAers, a former COTY, and solid role players..this could fail miserably, or turn out to be a great trade..it's all up to Shaq's health and commitment IMO..
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Post#559 » by INKtastic » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:10 pm

The heat only have 36 games left, are 10 games out, and would have to pass 7 teams to get in the playoffs. Assume just one of New Jersey plays .412 ball the rest of the season, that's 14 wins. That means the heat have to go 25-11 (.694) just to have a chance of catching them. And that doesn't even factor in having one of New Jersey, Chicago, Milwaukee, Indy, Philly or Charlotte actually playing better the second half of the season.
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Post#560 » by GIVE_WADE_THE_MAX » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:15 pm

Flash3 wrote:Riley works his magic, AGAIN! :lol:


Oh Please. This is still the same guy who offerredf Shaq the ridiculous contract and then paraded it as a coup of a signing. Then to top that he signed Smush parker and traded for Ricky Davis.

Riley got lucky someone was willing to play russian roulette.

Anyways retaining Marion is far from certain as his option next year is his own(opt out).

1) The Heat either let Marion go afetr the summer for nothing
2) Overpay a player that is a tertiary player at best
3) Sign and trade to a team willing to take on that contract.

Basically Suns chose the lesser fo 2 evils. Take Shaq for 2 years and roll the dice instead of waiting till the summer until Marion opted out leaving them at a bargaining disadvantage.

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