Shaq for Marion

mhectorgato · Post #101 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:16 pm

flyingvee wrote:Shaq needs to lose weight and get in shape and he'd still be a nice asset. Ewing played till 40 with decent numbers cause he was in shape. With him lumbering around all that weight you knew he'd break down fast. So if he wants to save his career he better lose weight and it would be a good deal for the Suns as Marion is gone next year anyway.

Which, to me, is quite ironic considering his TV show this past off-season.

Post #102 » by **Devin 1L** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:20 pm

MagicalMan wrote:Otis cant make lopsided trades just like the other 27 teams in the league arent making lopsided trades.

Word.

Also, while it may have not been of the magnitude of Shaq or Pau, we have made one trade this season and it looks like a success.

It's also worth noting that many people who now like the trade were bashing Otis for it at the time.

Some fans complain because their team makes a bad trade.
Some fans complain because their team doesn't make a good trade.
Our fans complain because we haven't made a ridiculously lopsided trade.

Go Magic.

Post #103 » by **Devin 1L** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:21 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Which, to me, is quite ironic considering his TV show this past off-season.

No kidding.

I watched every episode of that show, laughing all the while at the irony.

flyingvee · Post #104 » by **flyingvee** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:25 pm

I think we complain more because we have huge holes at PG, SG and PF and they don't seem like they will be addressed. Gasol would have the hole at PF very well. I say no to Marion becuase he's not a legit PF but a good rebounding SF.

MagicalMan · Post #105 » by **MagicalMan** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:38 pm

flyingvee wrote:I think we complain more because we have huge holes at PG, SG and PF and they don't seem like they will be addressed. Gasol would have the hole at PF very well. I say no to Marion becuase he's not a legit PF but a good rebounding SF.

And while that may be true we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Despite what posters may think, no one here is in the office when Otis is on the phone.

Optimus_Steel · Post #106 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:16 pm

Out of all the teams, other than Golden State, Phx is the last team i would have expected Shaq to go to.

pikimagic · Post #107 » by **pikimagic** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:27 pm

some people here in this forum just want to see a trade just for the fun of it IMO .......we are above 10 games .500% and people still bithcing that want to trade ....

MagicalMan · Post #108 » by **MagicalMan** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:41 pm

pikimagic wrote:some people here in this forum just want to see a trade just for the fun of it IMO .......we are above 10 games .500% and people still bithcing that want to trade ....

And then they complain after the trade.

spinedoc · Post #109 » by **spinedoc** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 6:42 pm

I agree that Miami got the better end of this deal. They just dumped 60M off their payroll if Marion does opt out. Maybe they even resign him, but they get the flexibilty that they need for a proper rebuild around Wade. It was a smart move because it was looking like they might lose him if they didn't re-tool their team. Plus they got a pg that needed. As for Phx, I can see why they feel the need to get bigger in the west, but Shaq? He can't stay healthy and is sadly out of shape, its a head scratcher. All they need now is a Diaw package for Tmac and their set I suppose, and rename their team to the Ex-Magic Under-achievers (the phoenix emu's). I'm sure Francis is available too. :wink:

mhectorgato · Post #110 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 7:12 pm

flyingvee wrote:I think we complain more because we have huge holes at PG, SG and PF and they don't seem like they will be addressed. Gasol would have the hole at PF very well. I say no to Marion becuase he's not a legit PF but a good rebounding SF.

And a trade to get Gasol with our expirings would have left us depleted at the PG/SG position.

KeDo is our a 1/2 backup
Arroyo is our 1 starter/backup

So we address one issue and overly expose 2 more.

This would be our rotation
PG: Nelson/?
SG: Hedo?/Evans/Bogans
SF: Lewis/Hedo
PF: Gasol/Lewis
C: Dwight

mhectorgato · Post #111 » by **mhectorgato** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 7:15 pm

surflawyer wrote:The game mhec is talking about happened in the 70s I think. The game needed to be finished and before the game was replayed the same two teams traded four players for four players so during the game 4 players from each team were actually playing for the opposite team.

In the Heat case a new player not involved in the original game is now on the team. Interesting dilema.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... hout_shaq/

richi_v25 · Post #112 » by **richi_v25** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:35 pm

I think the NBA is behind all of this...ok first they make their largest(or 2nd idk nor do i care) market like 20 times better by send Gasol out to the LA Lakers and thus making them from an ok team out West to a top 4 team, then they make PHX trade marion for a old used up Shaq(while yeah he does draw alot of attention to himself at this point of his career he looks about done) and because of this makes it easier for LA to have a better chance of winning out West LOL!!!!

Post #113 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:23 pm

devin3807 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Amare's got a jumper.

He didn't have it coming in, but he developed one -- probably about the time his knee was a big issue.

I think they'll fit together fine.

I'd expect Phoenix to pick and choose on the fast break a little bit more having Shaq on board (think Spurs and Duncan), rather than the automatic run, run, run.

is it just me or do think there's a lot of people who are neglecting how good this deal is for Phoenix? the major reason they can't compete in the post season has now been filled. the player with the expiring contract who was prepared to leave for nothing has been replaced with another all-star calibre player who's good for a few more years.

Post #114 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:47 pm

richi_v25 wrote:I think the NBA is behind all of this...ok first they make their largest(or 2nd idk nor do i care) market like 20 times better by send Gasol out to the LA Lakers and thus making them from an ok team out West to a top 4 team, then they make PHX trade marion for a old used up Shaq(while yeah he does draw alot of attention to himself at this point of his career he looks about done) and because of this makes it easier for LA to have a better chance of winning out West LOL!!!!

it is a bit of a coincidence that all the power play teams from the late 80's to early 90's are all back in strong contending position.

Lakers, Celtics, Suns, Pistons

plus a few more big cities

Dallas, Miami

then smaller cities, but still performers/contenders

Spurs, Hornets, Magic, Warriors, Cavs

can only be a good thing for the league. i pray for the day that the NBA makes a resurrgence back to the popularity it had in the early 90's. basketball cards went crazy. even in Australia we had NBA games on free to air twice a week.

as a rule of thumb i try not to rule something out 100%, so there's the ever-so-slight chance that the league could be rigged ala WWE. BUT.... i highly doubt it. i think it's more likley that it's just a cyclical thing of different teams being powers at different times.

actually, there's probably a really good thesis in this topic. it's a shame i couldn't give a damn about academics.

laVal03 · Post #115 » by **laVal03** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:11 pm

He passed the physical now awaiting league approval

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... _into_nba/

drsd · Post #116 » by **drsd** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:44 pm

ESPN reports the deal is done!

"Official" was the used word.

Optimus_Steel · Post #117 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:29 am

laVal03 wrote:He passed the physical now awaiting league approval

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... _into_nba/

I wonder what exactly did this "physical" consist of. "Hi Shaq can you take 2 steps for us, oh oh, keep trying, there you go, okkk pass. Official."

ilikebeer · Post #118 » by **ilikebeer** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:32 am

I've read that is not a bad deal for the Suns because they are dumping Banks (~10 mill over next 2 seasons) and Marion's (~18 mill if he doesn't opt out) contracts for Shaq's (40 mill) next two season.

$30 million vs. $40 million

Not Horrible

The Suns don't even need Shaq until the playoffs...

Hopefully the heat will win enough game so barely miss the playoffs and get a mediocre draft pick.

Post #119 » by **UCFJayBird** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:45 am

I think the Suns are a bunch of idiots. Shaq is done. He can't stay healthy, and even when he IS healthy he's not the player he once was. Also, he doesn't fit into their system of running. How are they going to push the tempo with Nash when Shaq is crossing half-court with 14 seconds remaining on the shot clock.

They could've gotten better for Marion.

Post #120 » by **Bensational** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:43 am

UCFJayBird wrote:I think the Suns are a bunch of idiots. Shaq is done. He can't stay healthy, and even when he IS healthy he's not the player he once was. Also, he doesn't fit into their system of running. How are they going to push the tempo with Nash when Shaq is crossing half-court with 14 seconds remaining on the shot clock.

They could've gotten better for Marion.

big words against a team that's better than ours.

and will people PLEASE stop using the argument "he won't even fit into their system". newsflash..... their system hasn't won them a title yet. Shaq's won 4. maybe it's time to introduce a new system, or even some variaton??