LA Lakers vs Phoenix Suns - Who wins this year?

[Patterns]

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wha?
07 playoffs 19/13/48%
06 playoffs 19/11/5/50%

I think he meant Marion because Odom is a completely different player in the playoffs.

[Phil Jackson]

I'll put up a 100$ bet right now that Phoenix will beat the Lakers if they play them in a 7-game series this year..

no real logic here..I believe in fate and karma..I keep questioning how a guy that threw his teammates under the bus, and is an alleged rapist, can somehow get rewarded with good teammates and a quality team..

well now the man that got him 3 titles is coming to his conference, on a rival team..I believe it's fate for Shaq to eliminate Kobe, and for the karma to come through against Kobe..it's just so sudden and strange that Shaq somehow ends up on a rival of the Lakers, soon after LA acquires a player that they believe makes them a favorite in the West..it's all crazy to me..

This guy's hatred for Kobe Bryant runs very deep. You can tell when he throws the so-called logic (that he so desperately references in order to PROVE his points) out of the window and replaces it with his EMOTIONS and "beliefs". I prayed to God to forgive Kobe Bryant for his sins and now God is giving him a chance to redeem himself. My praying offsets this guy's karma.

The mind is a powerful thing. Kobe Bryant is The Greatest of All Time.

[Showtime:Part2]

I'll put up a 100$ bet right now that Phoenix will beat the Lakers if they play them in a 7-game series this year..

no real logic here..I believe in fate and karma..I keep questioning how a guy that threw his teammates under the bus, and is an alleged rapist, can somehow get rewarded with good teammates and a quality team..

well now the man that got him 3 titles is coming to his conference, on a rival team..I believe it's fate for Shaq to eliminate Kobe, and for the karma to come through against Kobe..it's just so sudden and strange that Shaq somehow ends up on a rival of the Lakers, soon after LA acquires a player that they believe makes them a favorite in the West..it's all crazy to me..

he is an alleged rapist? well, you sir are an alleged dumb@$$ (note mods, if I am penalized for this, he should be too because he is clearly trying to incite a flame war especially since it was on the general board.... this is like calling jkidd an alleged wife-beater, totally classless).

[Griever24]

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he is an alleged rapist? well, you sir are an alleged dumb@$$ (note mods, if I am penalized for this, he should be too because he is clearly trying to incite a flame war.... this is like going to the nets board and calling jkidd an alleged wife-beater, totally classless).

2nd that .. seriously were you there in the bedroom with them when he Allegedly raped her ?

you say why is everyone mad ?... you say you believe in Karma and he threw his teammates under the bus well ...

true but he had to go through 3 incredibly tough years with no help whatsoever and managed to make it to the playoff's 2 out of 3 times

.. he's arguebly the best player in the league and gets no Credit for winning titles because he played with Shaq ..

he gets no love from the media despite being the best player in the league in my opinion the last 3 years ..

He played with kwame and smush as starters the past 3 years and they would never even start on a below 500 team .. and your saying Karma should Get him back ? ...

seriously because "he threw his teammates under the bus" yeah after losing in an incredibly close series 05-06 thanks to Odom not getting a rebound and losing the next year more lopsided and you expect him just to sit there and be like "yeah we tried our hardest but well be back next year" sorry if this guy is to determined to win i didn't know that was a bad thing .. oh yeah and he "Allegedly raped a girl" ..

Ok as i said before im not one to know what went down that day but Neither do you and i doubt He forced himself on a Suicidal Reject from American Idol who had a history of trying to become famous and had 3 other guys Sperm found in her panties after the "Alleged" rape ...

Bet 100$ in fact bet 1000$ and i hope you lose it and realize how dumb you once were or in the future still will be for saying comments like that...

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btw, shaq has thrown his teamates under a buss in 3 different teams now. first screwing penny by surprise. next failing to play defense or show up in shape year after year until we finally lost to the spurs in the playoffs. oh did I mention taking 20 games off at a time. and then with the heat, doing the same as with the lakers. perhaps I should add the numerous times he has screamed like a girl for not getting enough shots. or what about the ridiculous unjusitifiable contract demands that make it impossible to build a good team.

[NYKnick87]

I'll put up a 100$ bet right now that Phoenix will beat the Lakers if they play them in a 7-game series this year..

no real logic here..I believe in fate and karma..I keep questioning how a guy that threw his teammates under the bus, and is an alleged rapist, can somehow get rewarded with good teammates and a quality team..

well now the man that got him 3 titles is coming to his conference, on a rival team..I believe it's fate for Shaq to eliminate Kobe, and for the karma to come through against Kobe..it's just so sudden and strange that Shaq somehow ends up on a rival of the Lakers, soon after LA acquires a player that they believe makes them a favorite in the West..it's all crazy to me..

Yep, there really isn't any logic in what you said.

[Ballfan24]

I'm going to say the Suns, they have always had the upper hand, but with Gasol this changes everything. But now that the Suns have Shaq, that also changes everything, lol. But Im going to say the Suns in 7.

[kooldude]

I'll put up a 100$ bet right now that Phoenix will beat the Lakers if they play them in a 7-game series this year..

no real logic here..I believe in fate and karma..I keep questioning how a guy that threw his teammates under the bus, and is an alleged rapist, can somehow get rewarded with good teammates and a quality team..

well now the man that got him 3 titles is coming to his conference, on a rival team..I believe it's fate for Shaq to eliminate Kobe, and for the karma to come through against Kobe..it's just so sudden and strange that Shaq somehow ends up on a rival of the Lakers, soon after LA acquires a player that they believe makes them a favorite in the West..it's all crazy to me..

If you're serious, I'll take that bet. you got a paypal or something? that's assuming no major injuries before the series like Kobe, Nash or any important pieces are hurt.


So let's clear something up: do you believe any other superstars in the past on bad teams, never requested a trade of himself or their teammates? Despite when that superstar makes it public or not, the intention is the same; whether you do it in private with your organization or in public, there is still that same disregard for team loyalty. So do you think Kobe is the only one that done this and if not, why is he portrayed as a giant a$$hole when tons of superstars, past and present, are doing the same thing.

[HarlemHeat37]

give me your paypal, and we'll figure out a way to do this..

because I post on message boards, and I listen to analysts and Kobe homers all of the time..I'm supposed to feel bad for a guy that makes millions and ALREADY has 3 championships?..why should I feel bad for Kobe, when he's part of the reason that the Lakers lost the dominant big man that led them to 3 titles?(obviously Shaq had his part in this too)..Kobe disgusts me, because he was part of all of that, and then goes out and complains about his team..I DON'T CARE THAT HE ASKED FOR A TRADE, I care about the teammate part..he throws a young kid under the bus, even though Bynum has never done anything against Kobe to me knowledge..now Bynum makes LA a contender, when he should have just spit in Kobe's face..he's an attention-whore, and selfish/egotistical..he was part of the conflict with Shaq, and then he complains about his team..I've never heard KG throw any of his teammates under the bus, despite having 0 titles, and being stuck in a bad situation..Lebron doesn't complain about his teammates, even though he doesn't have a strong supporting cast..

an ALLEGED rapist, means he allegedly did it, which is a fact..so that means I admit he might not have done it, but he also might
have..ALLEGED..

[kooldude]

I don't have a paypal but I'm willingly to make one if you're serious about the bet.

Lebron was willingly to trade his teammates for Kidd and he made it quite clear. That's pretty much what he thinks of his teammates.

And I don't know why you're supposed t feel bad for Kobe; I never mentioned sympathy but if you're going to hold Kobe to a certain standard, then you should do the same for other superstars. Let's start with Jordan:

"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one

"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility



btw, I fail to see why you literally bring up Kobe's personal life (rape trial) in almost all your posts about Kobe. I never seen you post about Kidd's incidents with violence on his wife and other women. These things has nothing to do with basketball and you still bring it up when the thread is "LA vs. Phoenix series"......

[That Nicka]

give me your paypal, and we'll figure out a way to do this..

because I post on message boards, and I listen to analysts and Kobe homers all of the time..I'm supposed to feel bad for a guy that makes millions and ALREADY has 3 championships?..why should I feel bad for Kobe, when he's part of the reason that the Lakers lost the dominant big man that led them to 3 titles?(obviously Shaq had his part in this too)..Kobe disgusts me, because he was part of all of that, and then goes out and complains about his team..I DON'T CARE THAT HE ASKED FOR A TRADE, I care about the teammate part..he throws a young kid under the bus, even though Bynum has never done anything against Kobe to me knowledge..now Bynum makes LA a contender, when he should have just spit in Kobe's face..he's an attention-whore, and selfish/egotistical..he was part of the conflict with Shaq, and then he complains about his team..I've never heard KG throw any of his teammates under the bus, despite having 0 titles, and being stuck in a bad situation..Lebron doesn't complain about his teammates, even though he doesn't have a strong supporting cast..

an ALLEGED rapist, means he allegedly did it, which is a fact..so that means I admit he might not have done it, but he also might
have..ALLEGED..

dude you are ridiculous

[HarlemHeat37]

have I ever denied that Michael Jordan was an **** too? he obviously is..but Jordan didn't run Pippen out out, and then complain about his teammates 2 years later..also, Kobe plays now, and Jordan doesn't..so of course I'm going to talk about Kobe more, especially when there is a thread about him every day..

there isn't anything wrong with Lebron saying he wants Kidd..he's an all-star player, of course he wants him..but he's never actually talked about a specific teammate to trade for a "superior" player, which is ridiculous..

another reason I hate Kobe..the disgusting 2004 finals, where he clearly tried to take over, resulting in a Lakers loss, and eventually the team breaking up..around 30 more shots than Shaq, despite Shaq shooting about 20% better from the field..and don't tell me it was ball denial, because I watched the entire series, and Kobe was taking bad shot after bad shot..

he's a selfish bitch..

and I bring up his personal life, because there is nothing I hate more than rapists or molesters, or anything like that..he's an ALLEGED rapist, so it disgusts me..it's difficult to ignore..

btw, I've never actually called Kobe a flat-out rapist..so people need to stop being mad..I ALWAYS say ALLEGED, because it was alleged..so it's a fact..

[kooldude]

have I ever denied that Michael Jordan was an **** too? he obviously is..but Jordan didn't run Pippen out out, and then complain about his teammates 2 years later..

no, you never denied it but you have yet to acknowledge it until now but you have repeatedly bought up Kobe's past. There are plenty of Jordan threads now and you have yet to bring up Jordan's jerkoff side. And in the threads regarding Jason Kidd, you have yet to bring up Kidd's accusations of beating his wife or his incidents with hitting women in clubs. But even in a thread about LA vs Phx in a potential playoff series, you are eager enough to bring up Kobe's personal life and single his relationship with his teammates regardless of how many times he have made amends with Bynum.


didn't both Shaq and Kobe said it wasn't Kobe's fault he left?

When your team wins 62-72 games a season, there isn't much to complain about. Do you see Kobe complaining now? And as listed above, Jordan complained about his teammates ALOT and at some instances, right to their faces.

[HarlemHeat37]

Shaq wouldn't know if it was Kobe's fault or not..they are both immature, and neither would take blame..they both just teamed up against Buss once Kobe demanded a trade, since Shaq has a history against him..how does Shaq know Kobe wasn't involved? he doesn't..he's just immature and was trying to deflect the blame off of Kobe and himself..

regardless, I obviously have a bias view against Kobe..everyone can see that..obviously I'm going to bring him up more than anybody, because I hate him, and I always will..he's the fakest man in basketball..I don't believe anything he does is genuine or sincere..I've hated him since I started watching basketball, and nothing has changed for me to change my mind..

[kooldude]

there isn't anything wrong with Lebron saying he wants Kidd..he's an all-star player, of course he wants him..but he's never actually talked about a specific teammate to trade for a "superior" player, which is ridiculous..

and how is not naming a specific player any more noble than what Kobe did. I believe it's even more disloyal to his team when he's saying that any one of his teammates is not worth much and willingly to part with any of them to get a guy he played with for a summer over people he played with for years.

another reason I hate Kobe..the disgusting 2004 finals, where he clearly tried to take over, resulting in a Lakers loss, and eventually the team breaking up..around 30 more shots than Shaq, despite Shaq shooting about 20% better from the field..and don't tell me it was ball denial, because I watched the entire series, and Kobe was taking bad shot after bad shot..

he's a selfish bitch..

So you're going to hate on him for years because he had a bad 5 game stretch. Yes, he was stupid and selfish that series, no denying that but are you really going to hold a grudge for 4 years and counting, when he's not even on your team?

and I bring up his personal life, because there is nothing I hate more than rapists or molesters, or anything like that..he's an ALLEGED rapist, so it disgusts me..it's difficult to ignore..

btw, I've never actually called Kobe a flat-out rapist..so people need to stop being mad..I ALWAYS say ALLEGED, because it was alleged..so it's a fact..

great, I really don't like pets; dogs and cats disgust me but do you see ,ehate on players that are animal lovers. Seriously, what does Kobe's personal life have to do with basketball especially when it's years ago and it's over now except you and some Kobe haters bringing it up. No offense but I and most of realGM don't care about what you like or hate when it's outside basketball; I think there's a General Lounge somewhere here too.
I don't think "Player Comparisons" is the place to express your hatred for criminals, but that's just my take.

So bringing up 'Alleged Rapist' in every thread about Kobe is no big deal. What if I say "Accused Wife-Beater" in every thread about Kidd and in my sig? I'm also stating fact there so what's the big deal right?

[kooldude]

Shaq wouldn't know if it was Kobe's fault or not..they are both immature, and neither would take blame..they both just teamed up against Buss once Kobe demanded a trade, since Shaq has a history against him..how does Shaq know Kobe wasn't involved? he doesn't..he's just immature and was trying to deflect the blame off of Kobe and himself..

And you would know. Are you in the Laker organization? Regardless, one had to go, and if Kobe was the one that was traded, I bet you weren't be trashing Shaq now after many years.

regardless, I obviously have a bias view against Kobe..everyone can see that..obviously I'm going to bring him up more than anybody, because I hate him, and I always will..he's the fakest man in basketball..I don't believe anything he does is genuine or sincere..I've hated him since I started watching basketball, and nothing has changed for me to change my mind..

well, at least you admit it unless some Kobe haters....

[HarlemHeat37]

-what Lebron said, is similar to an analyst talking about the ASG.."this guy" shouldn't be in it..but they obviously won't say who should be left out, because that would embarrass the player who is being insulted in this..Lebron never mentioned a teammate..they could have got Kidd for money and draft picks(not likely of course, but you never know)..Kobe actually mentioned a teammate..much different..

-actually, a lot of people care what I like or hate outside of basketball..why do you think so many Kobe fans keep getting sensitive about my posts? they feel insulted..

-you can say "alleged wife-beater" about Kidd all you want, it's a fact..what can I say to counter it? nothing, because it's true..I guess you are classier than I am:rofl:

-I like Shaq, so I wouldn't trash him..like I said, I hate Kobe, which is pretty obvious..but I even said, Shaq is immature..I wouldn't know what happened inside the Lakers organization neither, but from outside looking in, I would say they both deserve blame in this..

-I can't deny that I hate Kobe, it's obvious..I go out of my way to mention his rape trial, even if I don't have to..it does complete my objective though, which is to make the die-hard Kobe fans angry, just like so many of them anger me with ridiculous claims..

[risktaker91]

After the Shaq trade, Lakers without a DOUBT.

[kooldude]

-what Lebron said, is similar to an analyst talking about the ASG.."this guy" shouldn't be in it..but they obviously won't say who should be left out, because that would embarrass the player who is being insulted in this..Lebron never mentioned a teammate..they could have got Kidd for money and draft picks(not likely of course, but you never know)..Kobe actually mentioned a teammate..much different..

-actually, a lot of people care what I like or hate outside of basketball..why do you think so many Kobe fans keep getting sensitive about my posts? they feel insulted..

-you can say "alleged wife-beater" about Kidd all you want, it's a fact..what can I say to counter it? nothing, because it's true..I guess you are classier than I am:rofl:

-I like Shaq, so I wouldn't trash him..like I said, I hate Kobe, which is pretty obvious..but I even said, Shaq is immature..I wouldn't know what happened inside the Lakers organization neither, but from outside looking in, I would say they both deserve blame in this..

-I can't deny that I hate Kobe, it's obvious..I go out of my way to mention his rape trial, even if I don't have to..it does complete my objective though, which is to make the die-hard Kobe fans angry, just like so many of them anger me with ridiculous claims..

Lebron implied that teammates aren't that good and wanted a better player. Kobe directly said it. If you want to question Kobe's decision making, then fine but it doesn't change their intentions and personal feelings about the quality of teammates around him.

Kobe fans care because you're trashing him. But they don't care about your feelings on rapist or molesters. Do you care that I don't like dogs?