Heat in serious talks to trade Shaq

[your_dallas_mavericks]

^^ Wow, something Mavs fans and Spurs fans can agree on LOL! This must be a f*cking disaster waiting to happen. Shaq in the run and gun LMAO!!

[Magz50]

From a Mavs perspective it means Bell or Amare is gonna guard Dirk which means Amare will get into foul trouble, or it leaves J Ho to light them up with jumpers. From Spurs perspective it means they'll have to put Nash on either Parker or Manu which is BAD news for the Suns as they had enough trouble guarding them both with Marion. Duncan and Dirk can just draw Snaq out and throw easy passes for layups and make Amare get into foul trouble trying to guard smaller players. Damn this is gonna be funny to watch.

[DDansby123]

Suns MAY actually be better with Shaq than Marion

Warriors MAY be better with Wright & Webber than Richardson

BUT, they are changing into the type of teams we sould be able to defend. No longer are the days of we can beat everyone except the Suns and the Warriors. Now, Boston, Lakers are the new kids to worry about, but Spurs, Suns and Warriors are all beatable teams (though not to be taken lightly).

Oh, BTW, Dampier's and Diop's importance to this team just got bigger.

I agree completely, though Diop still concerns me a little.

[DDansby123]

Now a serious question, how exactly do we match up with the Suns if this goes through?

Defense-Offense
Dampier-Shaq
Dirk-Amare (are we really going to put Dirk on Amare?)
Howard-Hill
Jones-Bell
Harris-Nash

I don't think this is the lineup we have to worry about. Switch Bass in for Jones, let him guard Amare, and move Dirk onto Bell. That's fine for us offensively and defensively.

The lineup I'm concerned about is this: Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Amare-Shaq. Not only MUST we put Dirk on a good offensive player, but who's going to guard Barbosa? Harris? Then who guards Nash? If we were to insert Hassell or George into the lineup, would we have enough offense to keep up? I think we'd be fine offensively, but it may come down to trading baskets, which I don't like.

[Zoli]

LMAO at you guys thinking this makes us easier

i know marion is great against you guys especially defending dirk, but you have never been able to stop amare, let alone shaq

anything that makes us bigger is an improvement at this stage

see you in the playoffs

I disagree with you. With Shaq, the Suns can't run, and we had some problems with our transiton defense from time to time so in that aspect, advantage Dallas. We have the best center duo if it's about stop Shaq. Damp is 265 lbs, Diop is 280, both of them can play very efficient defense on the big guy. If Amare plays PF, he will be a little more far from the basket, which is good for us, even though he is a good jumpshooter. And the top of all that, you lost your glue guy if this trade goes down, who can guard our best player the most efficiently on your team, i really don't see why would be the Suns a tougher matchup for us with Shaq and with Marion out. If it's about the Spurs, maybe i agree with you, but that's still a long shot. Marion is very important against the Spurs too, but maybe you could benefit from that the Spurs don't have any heavy player to guard Shaq, Oberto is 245 lbs, Elson is 235, so that could be a problem. Duncan can guard Shaq because he is such a smart player, but he can't guard him the entire game. Maybe i'm wrong, who knows, and with Nash Shaq will be a force again, i don't want to underestimate you guys, i just can't see why is it good for the Suns.

[Teffer10]

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I don't think this is the lineup we have to worry about. Switch Bass in for Jones, let him guard Amare, and move Dirk onto Bell. That's fine for us offensively and defensively.

The lineup I'm concerned about is this: Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Amare-Shaq. Not only MUST we put Dirk on a good offensive player, but who's going to guard Barbosa? Harris? Then who guards Nash? If we were to insert Hassell or George into the lineup, would we have enough offense to keep up? I think we'd be fine offensively, but it may come down to trading baskets, which I don't like.

I think we could combat that by moving Howard to the 2 and letting Jones or Hassell take Hill. However, the issue will be with Terry.
Another possibility is to go to a 2-3 zone since they won't have as many outside shooters now.

[Teffer10]

Even though this trade doesn't scare me, I'd feel a little more comfortable if we had more insurance at the center position. In other words, I think we need to make a minor deal by trading Juwan Howard for a bigger player like Booth or Foyle.
Before the season started, I thought picking up Howard was a good move because Bass was a question mark on this roster. Now that Bass has proved himself and more, along with George's ability to backup Dirk at times, there is absolutely no need for Juwan on this team.

If Damp and/or Diop get into foul trouble or have any injuries, the advantage goes to Phoenix imo. Since Amare and Shaq are offensive minded players, there is high probability that our bigs will get into early foul trouble. Having an extra guy that can put a body and hard fouls on those two would be nice. There will be a lot of "and 1s" if Juwan attempts to fill that role.

[sweet daddy]

Sounds like Phoenix giving up on the all-run-and-gun model, and trying to become more traditional. For our sake, I hope it doesn't work. But on his good days, him and Amare next to each other will be spooky.

Well, they've apparently always been a little more unhappy with Marion than they wanted to admit. Trading a guy that young and athletic (and good) for a player with a 2 year window is dangerous as hell.

[jwa1107]

I don't think this is the lineup we have to worry about. Switch Bass in for Jones, let him guard Amare, and move Dirk onto Bell. That's fine for us offensively and defensively.

The lineup I'm concerned about is this: Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Amare-Shaq. Not only MUST we put Dirk on a good offensive player, but who's going to guard Barbosa? Harris? Then who guards Nash? If we were to insert Hassell or George into the lineup, would we have enough offense to keep up? I think we'd be fine offensively, but it may come down to trading baskets, which I don't like.

Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Amare-Shaq
Howard-Harris-Dirk-Bass-Damp
or
Harris-Howard-Dirk-George-Damp

I think if you put George in you make Amare a bit more of a perimeter defender because he has to take Dirk or George

[studcrackers]

i really dont think its a bad trade for the suns, it makes them a bit more normal in how teams are run but it makes them versatile. they can have either shaq or amare (or skinner) at the 5. plus as mentioned in a thread on the general board which i agreed with, as kareem, wilt and russell wore down they became the guy who led the fast break w/there outlet passes and they can use alot of there energy on defense and starting fast breaks. and its not like shaq is a mediocre passer where he cant do what they did.

[Teffer10]

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Nash-Barbosa-Hill-Amare-Shaq
Howard-Harris-Dirk-Bass-Damp
or
Harris-Howard-Dirk-George-Damp

I think if you put George in you make Amare a bit more of a perimeter defender because he has to take Dirk or George

But that will mean that either Dirk or George will need to be an inside defender.
George will have to hit more outside shots than Amare makes dunks. I think the Suns have the edge on that one.

I think Bass' value has just increased.

[JES12]

which 3 way?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

[jwa1107]

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But that will mean that either Dirk or George will need to be an inside defender.
George will have to hit more outside shots than Amare makes dunks. I think the Suns have the edge on that one.

I think Bass' value has just increased.

I agree on the last part, but as to the former - how does guarding Grant Hill make Dirk an inside defender? My theory goes back to games last season where Avery had George guarding PFs and Dirk guarding SFs in certain situations. Obviously Dirk is the weakest link defensively of that group and I'd much rather have Hill attempting to score on Dirk than Amare trying to score on Bass/George/Dirk/Diop/Damp...

[JES12]

Bucher reported on espn today that Dallas was the 1st team Miami called to dump Shaq on and Dallas said "thanks, but no thanks"

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Bucher reported on espn today that Dallas was the 1st team Miami called to dump Shaq on and Dallas said "thanks, but no thanks"

My respect level for Donnie just went up quite a few notches. Nice work Mavs brass just saying no to the Big (Ol') Aristotle...