Shaq To Suns?

[G_MoNeY]

As many of you know, I proposed a Shaq trade 2 months ago and aussienet proposed a deal a few days ago. Breaking news headlines has Shaq going to PHX for Marion and Marcus Banks. Wouldn't you think MIA would like an offer of RJ and Marcus Williams? We could even throw in Nachbar, Wright or Magloire.

I read an article that Nets will make a phone call asking about Shaq, but it seems a deal is already in place. Why does it seem management seems to drop the ball on these "steals"...Gasol and now probably Shaq.

[kidd007]

I would not mind getting Shaq, but i don't think is gonna happen.Our managers are "kind" of lazy, and they just hope this team, some time, with our stupid coach, will solve its problems standing it as it is.
Shawn Marion is very different from RJ, he's a better player and a better defeder.But...we could always have tried...

[dacher]

We don't have any championship hopes, the Suns do. As is, we are barely going to even make the playoffs. They are taking a high-stakes playoffs gamble with getting Shaq.

I don't think it's a steal. Shaq can be productive, but he is injury prone and seems on the verge of retiring. I can only suppose they will save Shaq for the playoffs. It is a high-risk high-reward long-shot gamble.

If the Sun mainly wanted to move Marion to shake team chemistry, I wonder if Marion for RJ or VC was ever an option.

[G_MoNeY]

Shaq still has 2-3 years left in him dacher. His hip injury may be of some concern, but I believe that's part of the reason his production this year has declined.

As far as being injury prone, I think it's more of Shaq taking time off cause he knew he could, and his team would always contend. Saving himself for the playoffs. His presence alone, STILL, can make the team he plays on the favorites.

Us not contending? We're complacent and hope for the best with the currently assembled team. If we were to get Shaq, we'd move into contention automatically, IMO. Shaq is THAT dominant and can STILL get it done. Just watch.

[dacher]

]If we were to get Shaq, we'd move into contention automatically, IMO. Shaq is THAT dominant and can STILL get it done. Just watch.

To get him we'd have to give up one of Kidd/RJ/VC. To make up the loss of production, Frank would need to play Shaq big minutes regular season, which I don't believe he can do anymore.

Shaq is still a top 10 center, and with enough rest, perhaps top 5, but play him too many minutes, he'll be more than unhappy, he'll break down. Remember Zo complaining about too many minutes, before he was traded for VC.

[SteveNets15]

People think SHAQs not gonna fit in with the suns run and gun system.
I think its a good move because in the playoffs if they face a team like the Spurs who like to slow the game down now they got SHAQ and AMARE in the front.

[EFF]

Thorn's got no balls. He's really indecisive. He pulled of good deals like carter because they are mostly no-brainers. He can't seem to accept the fact that we're gonna have to give something up in a trade, like a fantasy owner who expects to improve in all 10 stat cats. Instead, he just likes to throw pocket change around at FA's in the off season.

I wonder sometimes if he actually knows anything about basketball because I dont think ive ever heard him make one informed basketball assessment of the team, only, "everybody hold on. and leave my frank alone."

[G_MoNeY]

dacher: fine by me, deal RJ. You pair Kidd and VC with Shaq and we're contenders. Shaq is averaging close to 30 minutes now. You make that deal, then you make a deal for a Mike Miller or Matt Carroll type of guy. Just disappointing to see ALL these teams making deals and being active and we're complacent. Perhaps I'm venting a bit, but Gasol and Shaq would put us over the hump, at least in the East.

[NetsForce]

Shaq is done.

[G_MoNeY]

disagree NetsForce.

Just watch...

if this deal gets done, PHX is winning the championship.

[EFF]

I have to say though, Amare and Shaq is nastier than Bynum and Pau. If the lakers are considered contenders, Pheonix should be legitly considered as well.

Marion wasn't really making a case for himself this year anyway on either end. Amare needed help and noone's gonna help him more than Shaq cuz he still commands attention. He just needs to stay healthy. On top of that Amare can step out and hit a jumper so they avoid overcrowding in the paint. Sick.

[vincecarter4pres]

I do not think we dropped the ball on this one at all.
Yes Shaq can still be dominant, but he is on an extremely serious decline.
His contract is ridiculous.

We did however drop the ball big time on the Pau Gasol trade.
Thorn was qouted saying we couldn't put together a deal for Gasol with expirings that made Memphis happy, but that is BS.

Although it would have gutted the team, we could have put together a package of Magloire, Boki, Wright, Boone and Armstrong or Malik Allen and it would have equated out to basically the exact same amount of salary as the LA deal.

On top of this the Memphis would have got a better prospect in Boone, and even Wright, a serviceable big in Magloire, and we still could have given them 2008 and 2010 1st rounders, considering our 2008 even with Gasol would have been much better.

The only true rotation player we would have lost that was important would have been Boki, considering Boone would be replaced with friggin Gasol.

And if they wanted we still could have swapped Swift for Collins.

I don't get it.

As much as the kid is a freak, and has massive potential I even would have given them Sean Williams, or even Marcus Williams or Curly in place of Josh Boone.

Memphis would probrably buyout Boki anyway and we could resign him.

Unreal.

That would have been an absolute contending lineup for the whole thing.

PG Kidd
SG CArter
SF RJ
PF Sean Williams, or Boone, or Swift or Malik Allen, or Curly if he came back to form
C Gasol

Bench of Marcus Williams, whichever 2 bigs didn't start at PF and any decent swingman we could trade for or sign.

MAybe not instant winners this year, but with one key off season signing to solidify a bench shooter, this team could have easily taken it all.

Just makes me sick.

On top of it a much better package for Memphis, and they trade him out of conference.

Makes me just wanna url.

[treiz]

I don't know, I'm pretty iffy about Shaq. I just have no clue on what to expect from him. He could turn us into an elite team, but at the same time he could also mess us up. It's a super duper mega high risk-high reward situation

[aussienet]

I agree with G 100000000000000000% is that possible?
Why are we doing nothing? We have an oppurtunity to make us better before we have to blow it up.

Thorn had better have something big up his sleeve. Cos if he does nothing and we end up dumping KIDD and VC for nothing I will be mad as a cut snake.

[Da big3]

This is a very stupid trade, the heats just got shaqs big contract out of their life

The suns are stupid that they made this deal, the suns are a running and uptempo team, while shaq makes his way down the court the suns are probably playin defense, maybe this because of the Lakers aquistion of Pau Gasol

[G_MoNeY]

I think PHX has come to the realization that to win a title you need a dominant big who can score on the block and defend in the post. Look at the past champions, all the teams have one. I like the deal for PHX, I expect Marion to struggle elsewhere.

I'm just jealous of all these teams being active yet we're just sitting here.

[aussienet]

I think PHX has come to the realization that to win a title you need a dominant big who can score on the block and defend in the post. Look at the past champions, all the teams have one. I like the deal for PHX, I expect Marion to struggle elsewhere.

I'm just jealous of all these teams being active yet we're just sitting here.

Testify Brother

[NetsForce]

When Shaq gets hurt and Phoenix stumbles just remember that I told you so.

[Rich Rane]

I think PHX has come to the realization that to win a title you need a dominant big who can score on the block and defend in the post. Look at the past champions, all the teams have one. I like the deal for PHX, I expect Marion to struggle elsewhere.

I'm just jealous of all these teams being active yet we're just sitting here.

I'll agree that you need a dominant big, but to say PHX won in this trade? Shaq is a rapidly declining deadweight that has and will continue to take punishment on his body as long as he's on the court. In the West, you have guys like Duncan, Yao, Boozer, Camby, and Gasol waiting for him while there are more fast paced teams in the West that could burn his huge frame. Not to mention his conditioning won't be as great coming off injury...Oh yeah! His hip! How's that going to affect him?

You're saying we should've traded for him? Shaq could hardly handle 30 minutes as is with a coach like Riley. What the hell makes you think he can handle ~40 with a coach like Frank? Even from a financial perspective, have you seen his contract? Do I dare ask how any of you plan to cover his contract in a trade?

Marion is still one of the most underrated players in the league. He is the most versatile defensive player in the league. The guy does pretty much everything a coach would want a player to do on the court. Not to mention, have you seen his contract? Who plays C for the Heat now? They couldn't care less. Now they too have a great shot of staying at the bottom. In two years, you'll have Marion (if he decides to stay), Wade, and two top 5 picks.

Did PHX bomb completely in this trade? I don't think so considering the pieces and staff in PHX. With Amare and Shaq, they perhaps could possibly play a better slower pace than other teams in the playoffs. But to say we should've traded for him? Entirely different story.

And Nets fans, holy crap...I've said this before and I'll say it again from enetric's words...you can't make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Look at the Knicks. Understand that there are two aspects in this sport to making a trade. The team itself both presently and the future and the business aspect. This isn't as simple as playing Live or 2K where if a trade doesn't pan out, we could cut him or load a saved file. Shaq doesn't fit these two aspects here.

Thorn had better have something big up his sleeve. Cos if he does nothing and we end up dumping KIDD and VC for nothing I will be mad as a cut snake.

Kidd by the summer is a $20 million expiring. Worth much more than he is right now. Even if Kidd doesn't ever get traded, we have $20 million off the books and we become great bidders in Top 10 drafts. RJ will be worth a lot to other teams by draft time who are looking for a slasher. VC is virtually untradeable. Only he could help his stock.

[Pugsley_2491]

I just can't believe the suns didn't get ANYTHING else in this deal. Not even ricky davis or a future first.