VINCE CARTER OWES EVERYONE ON THE NETS AN APOLOGY

[S.I.C. GM]

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Unbelievable. How about the 9 game losing streak where the ball was ran through RJ? How about our record when VC is not in the lineup? You're just adding fuel to the fire for VC haters to come and troll on a thread such as this.

First Off G. Money I wasnt talking about the 9 games we lost. The comment was made about last nights game. You are just too sensitive about VC. Stop!!!

Another thing, you keep mentioning what the record was when VC wasnt in the lineup. Stop that stupidity too. Because if you lose your SUPASTAR player or in this instance second leading scorer and your third leading scorer is recovering from surgery. How many games did u think we were going to win? It is just stupid to keep mentioning this. How many wins did Shaq have without Wade?

The last thing I dont care if VC haters and trolls come here. I will be the first person to tell them to get the F out of here. Why would you care too? All you have to do is defend your favorite player.

[jeff1624]

Another VC bashing thread

[Da big3]

we should run the offense through VC for the 1, 2, 4 quaters, and let jefferson be the 3rd quater offense, he plays well in the 3rd quaters

im now gonna call jefferson, RJ the III

[S.I.C. GM]

we should run the offense through VC for the 1, 2, 4 quaters, and let jefferson be the 3rd quater offense, he plays well in the 3rd quaters

im now gonna call jefferson, RJ the III

We should have VC play PG since he is such a great play maker and should run the offense. Kidd can come off the bench until he gets traded. Who needs Kidd when you have VC!! M. Will can be the third PG off the bench.

You are right I say we dont play RJ until the 3rd quarter.

The Starting Lineup should be

VC
Wright
Boki
SWill
Boone

[Teko]

How about Jason Kidd?

His 36% FG% is the lowest in his career... and almost as many turnovers a game as his FGM... that's not too pretty~

[G_MoNeY]

It's a known fact around here SIC that you always bash VC. Yet Kidd has no blame. Teko just pointed out something, but since it's Kidd and what he's done in the past years in NJ, he gets a free pass now.

All I'm saying is, your comments about VC are borderline hatred toward a player. You never have anything good to say about him or give credit where it's due. As far as my comments about our record without VC being "stupidity" I won't comment, because I think the majortiy of the members here would agree with me. What happens when RJ has a good game and VC struggles? we STILL lose. Bottom line, if we want whats best for this team, and I'd think ALL of us agree on that, the ball needs to be ran THROUGH VC, NOT RJ. Kidd needs to work on his jumper, quit turning the ball over or deal him already, he's basically checked out mentally anyways. We need a new coach, we need bench production, we need a shooter. ALL of us are frustrated over the way NJ has played thus far; but we should come to expect it, since history tends to repeat itself. Sad thing is, the window has almost closed and seems like there's no hope. While Thorn still preaches patience...you're kidding right?

[S.I.C. GM]

How about Jason Kidd?

His 36% FG% is the lowest in his career... and almost as many turnovers a game as his FGM... that's not too pretty~

I like when people look at stats. I can talk stats too.

I dont know why people like to put FG% in the same breath with Kidd. It is not enough Kidd is leading the Nets in rebounds, steals and assist. Dont for get he close to a avg. a triple double. Some people are quick to defend VC. For WHAT? Kidd was never a scorer. He was a play maker. Damn VC love is BLIND!!!!!

As far as kidd's TO, check your stats buddy. The years we went to the finals Kidd's TO were the around the same number. So your argument is moot.

[EFF]

Wright is the Collins of the SG position except worse at defense. waive his ass.

and i wouldn't mind starting Marcus just to see what he can do in 30+ minutes.

Kidd, Marcus, Vince, RJ, Sean/Boone

what the hell..

[G_MoNeY]

why do you always say that, VC love is blind? Maybe it's YOU who are just obsessed with bashing him. You're the only person on this board that does it. Some may have something to say from time to time, but it never fails with you.

[jcrack32]

SIC....to compare Kidd's overall play from the championship years to this year, its really no contest. Clearly, Kidd was a much better player then --on both ends of the floor. As much as we hate to criticize Kidd, its obvious that his level of play has diminished a bit. Forget the stats for a moment and watch the games. I've seen him miss more layups this year than in the years past, less penetration to the hoop than years past and his ppg is way down this year. Kidd has never been a scorer but we need him to score near 15 ppg on this team. Defensively, he's a way better help defender than a man defender but he is averaging only 1.5 steals per game (lowest in his career).

This is not a bash on Kidd post...cause he's still playing at a high level. My point is just that we love to bash on VC cause he is the lightning rod on this team but our whole team has deficiencies. VC does bear a brunt of the blame...no question about that but both RJ and Kidd deserve it too.

[HotShots]

Phil Jackson already been through what the Nets are going through with Jason Kidd, and the legendary Lakers coach thinks the situation in New Jersey may be fixable. However, he feels that is true only if Vince Carter raises his intensity level.
Jackson complimented Kidd before last night's game between the Nets and Lakers, calling the disgruntled point guard a "great leader" and a "motivator." But after praising Richard Jefferson also, Jackson took a not-so-subtle jab at Carter.

"Jefferson is playing great; Carter seems to be just playing right now," Jackson said before pausing and adding, "not playing with that fire that Jason seems to imbue in his game." -- New York Daily News

EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

Another VC bashing thread

It's not a bashing it's the F'IN truth. Why do you think Kidd wants out he sees it. The guy just has no heart for the game.

[S.I.C. GM]

It's a known fact around here SIC that you always bash VC. Yet Kidd has no blame. Teko just pointed out something, but since it's Kidd and what he's done in the past years in NJ, he gets a free pass now.

Take a look at my response to Teko. Kidd has always had high TO being a playmaker sometimes you have make risky passes. That is part of being a Hall of Fame player.

All I'm saying is, your comments about VC are borderline hatred toward a player.

Good try. People have said this before. I was all for the VC trade. He could be up there with Kobe, Lebron and Wade but he is the only one stopping himself.

You never have anything good to say about him or give credit where it's due.

Actually you are wrong here. I do acknowlegde good plays by VC. It isnt often but I do.

As far as my comments about our record without VC being "stupidity" I won't comment, because I think the majortiy of the members here would agree with me. What happens when RJ has a good game and VC struggles? we STILL lose.

If people really think about it, losing 15-20 pts from two players, is a lot. So there is a correlation with VC sitting out, but you make it such a big deal when it is basic logic.

Bottom line, if we want whats best for this team,

This is questionable. Most of all the trades you have mentioned is to trade RJ. If you really wanted the best for this team you would weight both options. You are a VC fan. that is why you push to trade RJ and disregard that fact that trade VC should be an option too.

and I'd think ALL of us agree on that, the ball needs to be ran THROUGH VC, NOT RJ.

I dont know who everyone is but I dont agree with this. RJ can move without the ball, curls and slashing. VC has to have to ball in his hand, whether it is for ISOs or Picks. So I dont think the offense runs through RJ he is just an option like VC should be. VC should move without the ball too and stop faking contact when moving around.

Kidd needs to work on his jumper, quit turning the ball over or deal him already, he's basically checked out mentally anyways.

I dont see how he has checked out. The other day he hit a clutch 3. Anyway if he is I dont blame him. G.Money when was Kidd a jump shooter? Check your stats on the TO.

[S.I.C. GM]

SIC....to compare Kidd's overall play from the championship years to this year, its really no contest. Clearly, Kidd was a much better player then --on both ends of the floor. As much as we hate to criticize Kidd, its obvious that his level of play has diminished a bit. Forget the stats for a moment and watch the games. I've seen him miss more layups this year than in the years past, less penetration to the hoop than years past and his ppg is way down this year. Kidd has never been a scorer but we need him to score near 15 ppg on this team. Defensively, he's a way better help defender than a man defender but he is averaging only 1.5 steals per game (lowest in his career).

This is not a bash on Kidd post...cause he's still playing at a high level. My point is just that we love to bash on VC cause he is the lightning rod on this team but our whole team has deficiencies. VC does bear a brunt of the blame...no question about that but both RJ and Kidd deserve it too.

I understand what you are saying, but these guys like to look at stats. Mediocriy is contageous.

[dacher]

RJ cannot take over a game on demand (never).
VC cannot take over a game on demand either (very very rarely).

Kidd cannot take over a game on demand. pre-microfracture surgery Kidd could take over a game on demand. I still feel regret when I think about the last time we got to see pre-microfracture Kidd, which was in the triple-OT playoff game against the Pistons, right at the time his knees gave out.

I'm thinking if Kidd's minutes could be cut down if it would help his game and the team. There was talk about cutting his time to 34 minutes, but he's playing as many minutes as he always has.

Kidd still plays at a very hard at a consistent high level, outside of always streaky shooting. He gets the ball quickly to the most open teammate. He helps other players do their jobs better. And he still raises his overall level of play in the playoffs, even if he no longer dominate those games.


We have no one who can dominate a game, which is why for the past few years we've won games on defense. That's how we've always won in the playoffs. Now we no longer have defense, we have nothing.

[Da big3]

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We should have VC play PG since he is such a great play maker and should run the offense. Kidd can come off the bench until he gets traded. Who needs Kidd when you have VC!! M. Will can be the third PG off the bench.

You are right I say we dont play RJ until the 3rd quarter.

The Starting Lineup should be

VC
Wright
Boki
SWill
Boone

SIC i dont know if ur joking or read me wrong, VC should be the main weapon were he gets the touches and is aggresive, what i mean by RJ in the 3rd quater is thats his comfort zone, he always scores alot in the 3rd quater for some odd reason

[G_MoNeY]

it's not that I mention RJ in trade talks because I'm a VC fan. It's that I, along with the majority of the people here, see that RJ will never reach VC's level. VC has proven he's one of the most consistent scorers in the league, to date, when given an opportunity and have the ball in his hands. It's easy to replace RJ, tough to replace VC.

RJ is younger, favorable contract, and is easier to replace that's why I mention him in trade talks. VC and Kidd are a good duo, they need a big to compliment both of their games and surround them with shooters/defenders. Give me a bit of credit here, you act like I don't post of any substance and just adore VC. Far from that.

[Pooch]

I'm a Lakers fan. I'm happy that we won, but I'm not here to rub that in. I'm actually pretty disturbed by the game VC had.

VC had a great game against the Lakers today. I've been watching Nets games for a while now (I live in the NY/NJ area), and I have rarely seen Vince play with the kind of intensity he came out with today. He shot well, but he was moving, he was elevating, and he was dunking like he was 5 years younger. He got some corticosteroid shots, and so he feels better, fine. But the difference in play and attitude was HUGE. He simply upped his game for Kobe and the Lakers. For ONE game.

For a professional, never mind a supposed star, that is unacceptable.

He should bring it every night. There are lapses here and there for everyone, but VC walks through every game until this one.

No wonder JKidd is pissed and wants out.

What a freaking scrub. There is a reason why Vince will never be a winner.

He has been injured, and has kept playing, that actually shows someone trying to help their team Your thread is absolutely stupid. It seems that people that do not watch Nets games for real, are the ones critisizing Carter the most, but us Nets fans know his game, and know that he is playing injured. End of story.

[jerseyjac]

I'm a Lakers fan. I'm happy that we won, but I'm not here to rub that in. I'm actually pretty disturbed by the game VC had.

VC had a great game against the Lakers today. I've been watching Nets games for a while now (I live in the NY/NJ area), and I have rarely seen Vince play with the kind of intensity he came out with today. He shot well, but he was moving, he was elevating, and he was dunking like he was 5 years younger. He got some corticosteroid shots, and so he feels better, fine. But the difference in play and attitude was HUGE. He simply upped his game for Kobe and the Lakers. For ONE game.

For a professional, never mind a supposed star, that is unacceptable.

He should bring it every night. There are lapses here and there for everyone, but VC walks through every game until this one.

No wonder JKidd is pissed and wants out.

What a freaking scrub. There is a reason why Vince will never be a winner.

I think there is some truth to that...but he has been hobbled by injuries...Marv and Mark talked about it and I agree with how they described the situation...it shoudnt take Kobe Bryant to bring the style of play you saw vs. the Lakers out of VC...but they also commented and noted his injuries...

If you look at VC's numbers, even if you dont think its a measuring stick in this discussion...they're solid enough to show that his contribution is significant and substantial on a Nets team who is struggling as a whole...

Could he be more lively, aggressive, and more dominant on the court...definitely...but no one here knows the extent of his injuries (pain wise and or how it hinders his play) and the fact that he is suiting up does say something...

the difference in looking at the situation objectively is the difference between a fan hating and a fan criticizing constructively...

(all conspiracy theories set aside...)

[Teko]

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I like when people look at stats. I can talk stats too.

I dont know why people like to put FG% in the same breath with Kidd. It is not enough Kidd is leading the Nets in rebounds, steals and assist. Dont for get he close to a avg. a triple double. Some people are quick to defend VC. For WHAT? Kidd was never a scorer. He was a play maker. Damn VC love is BLIND!!!!!

As far as kidd's TO, check your stats buddy. The years we went to the finals Kidd's TO were the around the same number. So your argument is moot.

Stats aren't everythings, but FG% don't lie... Kidd has always been pretty bad, but 36% is pretty ugly even for Kidd. VC also 3rd in rebouding, 2nd in assist in Nets and with 9 more points with 45% fg%...

82games.com also shows clearly that when VC is on the floor, Nets has best +/-... I don't really know how to explain that, but I am sure you will come out somethings to prove its wrong~

I've been Nets' fans since VC joined, it's obviously to me that BOTH VC and Kidd aren't playing at their best this season, dued to injuries or heart, I can't tell... Kidd wants out.

Kidss is the leader of the Nets and supposed to be best PG in the NBA, but his team is one of the worst team in offensive efficiency. His team is well under 500... He is getting paid close to 20mil (VC with 13)... Now VC gets all the blames?