Shaq to Phoenix

Magz50 · Post #21 » by **Magz50** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 3:47 pm

Maybe if it was Yao or Okafor or someone. Against a Shaq led team this year both TP and Manu lit it up. 23 and 25 points respectively. Manu especially thrives vs shaq.

UDRIH14 · Post #22 » by **UDRIH14** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:22 pm

sons dont know how to run a fiscal policy

:(, time for revenue raisin with snaqs jerseys, then sell the team

johnnyjohnnyjohnny · Post #23 » by **johnnyjohnnyjohnny** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 4:30 pm

I think this is good for Shaq. He's now on a team that knows how to get the ball to the big man. I think it's bad for Phoenix, Shaq is slow and will not be able to keep up with their pace., plus he's rarely healthy anymore.

Ballings7 · Post #24 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:05 pm

wizardq wrote:I think the loss to us last week may have effected their outlook on the playoffs.
Why?
1. The Spurs were mired in a three game losing streak and our worst record for a month this decade
2. Tony Parker and Brent Barry were out.
3. Game was in their house
4. The fans wanted blood from last year and screamed like it was a NBA finals matchup.

5. WE STILL CRACKED THEM. If they couldn't beat us last week ... they/Kerr realised that they can't a currently composed.

I have to respect that they are trying to win. This trade at the very least is an admission that they can't win with what they've got.

Yeah, very well said.

I still am loving that win. It was so fun.

LyMinh · Post #25 » by **LyMinh** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 5:59 pm

I'm pretty upset about this.

Last night I was reading about this trade rumor and everyone (including me) was laughing at it, no way it could be real. I was totally gonna make a 'Let's trade for Shaq' thread here but now he's actually been traded =/

Oh yeah, ditto everyone, terrible trade for Phoenix. One less contender in the West to deal with, but it could be entertaining to have Shaq back in the West.

Ballings7 · Post #26 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 8:07 pm

Honestly, Phoenix hasn't been/isn't too much to deal with. They lack the team to beat good, balanced squads. Especially us.

Save an injury from one of the big three, did/does anybody really think Phoenix could beat us in a playoff series? I just don't see it with the weaknesses the Suns have, and in which have not been improved upon significantly since 2005.

When you lack solid defense, rebounding, a flexible offense, and a well-rounded bench - you need above-average luck to win in the playoffs against a balanced team.

Tiga · Post #27 » by **Tiga** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:38 pm

Will amar

Magz50 · Post #28 » by **Magz50** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:46 pm

Maybe how to eat a big mac in one bite.

Magz50 · Post #29 » by **Magz50** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 9:55 pm

From truehoop on ESPN:

"and when Miami played San Antonio early this season, O'Neal was strictly on Fabricio Oberto and Francisco Elson duty. Three times, late in the game, he ended up on Duncan in a switch or as a helper, and here's what happened: Duncan put the ball on the floor and made a layup, Duncan kicked out to Manu Ginobili for a made three, and Duncan dribbled the ball out of bounds -- my money's on it going off O'Neal, but it was called Miami ball. So, without a dubious call, you have exactly zero success with O'Neal as a Duncan stopper."

Ballings7 · Post #30 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:22 pm

People really need to realize how Shaq is now. Healthy or not. They shall see soon enough. There are a few positives, but more negatives, risks, and questions with him.

bullsaficianado · Post #31 » by **bullsaficianado** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:49 pm

Can't beat the Spurs in a playoff series? Well let's trade for Shaq. This will be interesting to see.

Magz50 · Post #32 » by **Magz50** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:56 pm

ESPN reporting the physical is a DONE DEAL:

Sources: Shaq passes physical, traded to Suns in Marion deal

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: February 6, 2008, 5:51 PM ET

Diesel will be chugging out West.

In one of the most improbable trades in NBA history, the Miami Heat traded Shaquille O'Neal to the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3234099

Ballings7 · Post #33 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:37 pm

Yay (seriously)

LyMinh · Post #34 » by **LyMinh** » Wed Feb 6, 2008 11:52 pm

I wonder what this means for who guards Parker and Ginobili. I'm guessing Nash will guard Bowen no matter what. Bell will guard one I'm sure, but who guards the other?

On the flip side, we used to hide Parker by putting him on Marion, maybe we'll hide him by putting him on Grant Hill or Raja Bell, 2 players who probably won't be taking it to the rim much.

-SDU- · Post #35 » by **-SDU-** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:58 am

2 things that must be considered when talking about shaq defending duncan is that amare is a great weakside help defender (not so good one on one, much like camby is a far better help defender) and if duncan gets past shaq (more like when) then amare will be there which has to mean something

also, amare wont get in as much early foul trouble now which should free him up to be far more aggressive, especially when he is at C with shaq on the bench

just things to be considered especially given that against you guys more than anyone, amares foul trouble has been a very decisive factor in wins and losses

Tiga · Post #36 » by **Tiga** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 1:07 am

Shaq still had to replay the Hawks with Miami...

iamworthy · Post #37 » by **iamworthy** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 2:34 am

Laker fan here. I havent read every post but as a laker fan I like this trade for the suns. I think this makes them worst. Shaq owns the paint and if thats the case amare wont have any room to operate. Shaq also slows the game down. As long as the balls in Shaqs hand its not in Nashes hand, and thats a good thing for the other team. Plus you took a guy in the Matrix who was playing about 35-40 minutes and replaced him with a guy who plays about 30 minutes. This will be very interesting.

tuncaboylu · Post #38 » by **tuncaboylu** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 7:16 am

-SDU- wrote:2 things that must be considered when talking about shaq defending duncan is that amare is a great weakside help defender (not so good one on one, much like camby is a far better help defender) and if duncan gets past shaq (more like when) then amare will be there which has to mean something

Do you remember our Utah series last year? Okur was defending Duncan inside and Boozer was the weak side defender. But Spurs have found a way to feed Oberto and he became the star of that series.

Right now, you're very similar to last year's Utah.
Nash-Bell-Diaw-Amare-Shaq
Deron-Fisher-Krilenko-Boozer-Okur

We've passed that Utah easily and it would be same for this year's Suns.

-SDU- · Post #39 » by **-SDU-** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 10:48 am

difference being that okur and boozer dont attack the paint and draw fouls and test the defense

okur is soft and boozer prefers to shoot jumpers than make post moves

time will tell about it all, im not 100% sold on it yet, i need to see it all first, but at best, i do believe it might just be crazy enough to work

i still cant believe it has happened

tuncaboylu · Post #40 » by **tuncaboylu** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 12:20 pm

-SDU- wrote:difference being that okur and boozer dont attack the paint and draw fouls and test the defense

okur is soft and boozer prefers to shoot jumpers than make post moves

time will tell about it all, im not 100% sold on it yet, i need to see it all first, but at best, i do believe it might just be crazy enough to work

i still cant believe it has happened

Okur is soft, but he has three point range and he's 10 years younger than Shaq. That's why he can stay fresh while defending Duncan, but Shaq has condition problem.

Boozer prefers post moves, and they're different. But both Amare and Boozer are average defenders and Oberto can show bright performance when they forget him.

On the other hand Bowen is much better on defending Nash than defending Deron. And now we don't have to think Marion as well.