has anyone else noticed.

[halfHAVOC]

Jason Kidd passing up WIDE OPEN LAYUP opportunities this year, and alot more as the season progresses, i think he attempts more long range foot on the line 3's / 3's than he does paint shots. why does he pass up WIDE OPEN layups he can easily make? i think hes scared to get blocked lately lmao.
he should take those tho, hes wide open and kicks it out for a worse shot.

[vincecarter4pres]

Actually I've noticed the last few weeks he's been playing a sloppy, almost shoot first, selfish type of game because he doesn't give a F, because he either wants to get traded or for Rod to trade for a legitimate big man.

Did you see the Laker game the other night when he tried dunking on Kobe?!

Kidd yamming?!

He hasn't attempted that since last season, and it was only like twice, with one attempt being a semi-succesful lame ass drop in one hander.

[vincecarter4pres]

To add to that, Kidd needs to go.

Seriously.

It doesn't have to be an absolute firesale before the trade deadline, but unless Rod makes a major blockbuster move and reshuffles this team, with a top 10 big man, maybe a new wing, be it RJ or VC or both that get moved, and a legit shooter scorer off the bench to back up Boki, Kidd has to go.

Rod doesn't have to make this change up before the deadline either, it could be offseason, but everyone just has to face facts.

Kidd is unhappy, and when he is unhappy he is a prick and a coach killer.

This team, even with some decent acquisitions is not going to be a contender, we will just be competitive.

This team isn't even competitive right now, we are just a bunch of overpaid, feeling sorry for themselves, shoulder shrugging punks.

Something has got to give.

I still don't think just if you trade Kidd you have to blow it up.

I still feel like in the offseason, or at the deadline you can pull a trade such as Kidd for Nene and Dre Miller.

Maybe Kidd for Bibby and Nene.

Kidd for Brand, if Brand is back to form in the offseason and will resign with us but won't stay with the Clippers.

I mean there are a million ways to become true cotenders in the process of trading Kidd.

You know I love Kidd for what he has and had done this team.

He brought us to back to back Finals, the Eastern Conference finals vs. the eventual champs, and 2 2nd round exits, one of which we could have pulled out.

But, there is always time for change.

Also lets be completely realistic with ourselves and face facts.

How long has it been since a team needed a pure point guard to win the title?

Since when has a team won the title?

I can't remember.

I remember the Jordan Era, with the best of the best, plus Pippen, plus outstanding role players such as Ho Grant, or Rodman, Paxson, Kerr, and effecient game running points like BJ Armstrong.

I remember the Rockets, with the Dream, and a great supporting cast of guys like Cassel, Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, Mario Ellie, etc.

I see teams like Detroit, with The Wallaces, a scorer like Rip, a very talented PG in Billups, who is half scorer, half pure playmaker, excellent defender and role guys like Prince and Okur that played outstanding.

I see the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq, along with again outstanding role players like Fisher, Horry, Ho Grant, Rick Fox, etc.

I see the Spurs with Duncan, one of the most underrated big men every, again, with a star SG in Ginobli and a star point, who is again a Billups type point, just not as good as Billups.

You can even go back to the Pistons.
They had Zeke.
This may have been one of the last times a pg has been the dominant character in a championship, but mind you, even though Zeke was a pure point, he was one of the flat out best scorers in the game period, especially during the playoffs, he had Joe Dumars by his side, who is one of the most underrated players in a while, and an absolutley smothering and intimidating defense.

You can say the Lakers with Magic Johnson, but that would be like Kidd being on the Spurs, Mavs or Lakers of today without changing their star lineups.
It just guarenteed a team that was always in contention for the title, and probrably slight favorites amongs an elite crop the whole thing or a 7 game chance at it.

Go back to the Sixers, or the Celtics.

These where all teams with one of the top 5 players in the game, along with another absolute star, a very high quality, but maybe not dominant PG and an ill supporting cast.

I love Kidd, but keep RJ and VC if needed, get me a guy like Brand, if he comes back healthy, put him next to Boone or S .Will, back me up with a decent bench and replace Kidd with a Bibby or Andre Miller and to me you have an instant title contender.

We would have had one if we got Gasol, but we didn't.
We would have one if we get JO and he would stay healthy, but he won't, and see his history, he is honestly one of the most un clutch offensive players in the 4th quarter of playoff games amongst star players in probrably the last 10 years of the NBA.

The Kidd era maybe over, it may not, but there are many ways to rebuild a contender without tanking it for years.

Detroit, Miami and the Lakers are all perfect examples.
These teams were all competitive playoff teams for years, and by one big move and a few small moves became champs almost overnight.

Just something to think about.

[bigballa3jj]

no way in hell im reading that whole post

[dacher]

Maybe it's just a slump. Maybe it is his roundabout way of pushing harder for a trade.

Whatever it is, he is not very good right now. I also noticed Kidd passing up open shots which he should have taken these last 2 games. And it wasn't passing up an open shot to another open teammate. I don't think his mind is on the game. He did realize he messed up, and took the next 2 shots (and missed).

His play has gotten sloppier and looser than I've ever seen it.

[EFF]

Yeah I remember on the fast break a few years back he didn't ALWAYS pass it. Sometimes he kept the ball and just forced his way to the hoop. None of that this or last year. He always gets rid of the ball as soon as he crosses the 3 point line. He's always been a pass first kind of guy but Kidd is only making the nets easier to defend by being a non-threat offensively. If he just drew a few more fouls a game it'd at least keep them honest.

I've said this on another thread, but i don't think Kidd's stats and triple doubles this year are impact numbers. Impressive still, but not as helpful to the team as you might think.

[netsforever]

To add to that, Kidd needs to go.

Seriously.

It doesn't have to be an absolute firesale before the trade deadline, but unless Rod makes a major blockbuster move and reshuffles this team, with a top 10 big man, maybe a new wing, be it RJ or VC or both that get moved, and a legit shooter scorer off the bench to back up Boki, Kidd has to go.

Rod doesn't have to make this change up before the deadline either, it could be offseason, but everyone just has to face facts.

Kidd is unhappy, and when he is unhappy he is a prick and a coach killer.

This team, even with some decent acquisitions is not going to be a contender, we will just be competitive.

This team isn't even competitive right now, we are just a bunch of overpaid, feeling sorry for themselves, shoulder shrugging punks.

Something has got to give.

I still don't think just if you trade Kidd you have to blow it up.

I still feel like in the offseason, or at the deadline you can pull a trade such as Kidd for Nene and Dre Miller.

Maybe Kidd for Bibby and Nene.

Kidd for Brand, if Brand is back to form in the offseason and will resign with us but won't stay with the Clippers.

I mean there are a million ways to become true cotenders in the process of trading Kidd.

You know I love Kidd for what he has and had done this team.

He brought us to back to back Finals, the Eastern Conference finals vs. the eventual champs, and 2 2nd round exits, one of which we could have pulled out.

But, there is always time for change.

Also lets be completely realistic with ourselves and face facts.

How long has it been since a team needed a pure point guard to win the title?

Since when has a team won the title?

I can't remember.

I remember the Jordan Era, with the best of the best, plus Pippen, plus outstanding role players such as Ho Grant, or Rodman, Paxson, Kerr, and effecient game running points like BJ Armstrong.

I remember the Rockets, with the Dream, and a great supporting cast of guys like Cassel, Kenny Smith, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, Mario Ellie, etc.

I see teams like Detroit, with The Wallaces, a scorer like Rip, a very talented PG in Billups, who is half scorer, half pure playmaker, excellent defender and role guys like Prince and Okur that played outstanding.

I see the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq, along with again outstanding role players like Fisher, Horry, Ho Grant, Rick Fox, etc.

I see the Spurs with Duncan, one of the most underrated big men every, again, with a star SG in Ginobli and a star point, who is again a Billups type point, just not as good as Billups.

You can even go back to the Pistons.
They had Zeke.
This may have been one of the last times a pg has been the dominant character in a championship, but mind you, even though Zeke was a pure point, he was one of the flat out best scorers in the game period, especially during the playoffs, he had Joe Dumars by his side, who is one of the most underrated players in a while, and an absolutley smothering and intimidating defense.

You can say the Lakers with Magic Johnson, but that would be like Kidd being on the Spurs, Mavs or Lakers of today without changing their star lineups.
It just guarenteed a team that was always in contention for the title, and probrably slight favorites amongs an elite crop the whole thing or a 7 game chance at it.

Go back to the Sixers, or the Celtics.

These where all teams with one of the top 5 players in the game, along with another absolute star, a very high quality, but maybe not dominant PG and an ill supporting cast.

I love Kidd, but keep RJ and VC if needed, get me a guy like Brand, if he comes back healthy, put him next to Boone or S .Will, back me up with a decent bench and replace Kidd with a Bibby or Andre Miller and to me you have an instant title contender.

We would have had one if we got Gasol, but we didn't.
We would have one if we get JO and he would stay healthy, but he won't, and see his history, he is honestly one of the most un clutch offensive players in the 4th quarter of playoff games amongst star players in probrably the last 10 years of the NBA.

The Kidd era maybe over, it may not, but there are many ways to rebuild a contender without tanking it for years.

Detroit, Miami and the Lakers are all perfect examples.
These teams were all competitive playoff teams for years, and by one big move and a few small moves became champs almost overnight.

Just something to think about.

Kidd has more value to us as an expiring contract then he does as a player at this point. Either let him walk or wait till next year to move him.

We're not going anywhere this season anyway.

No combination of players on this roster, even in their primes, could get past Boston or San Antonio, or the Lakers, or the Pistons.

Nobody that we bring back in a Kidd trade will accomplish that either.

Keep Kidd and let him expire.

[vince-carter15]

+ where are the triple doubles now J-kidd???

[Da big3]

yea Kidd had atleast 4-5 open layups and kicked back out for a missed 3pter by Carter or Noki