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Post#21 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:55 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Showcasing Gadzuric is like showcasing the world's fattest woman. It's horrible, painful, brutal, yet so amazingly bad you just can't turn away.

Gadzuric's trade value goes down when he's on the court, and he already has negative trade value.



you didn't see these last 2 games though, he was productive aside from that shot we were talking about
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Post#22 » by xTitan » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:05 pm

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you didn't see these last 2 games though, he was productive aside from that shot we were talking about


Yes he was awesome, every bit equal to Bogut...so your comparison was spot on :roll:
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Post#23 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:13 pm

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Yes he was awesome, every bit equal to Bogut...so your comparison was spot on :roll:



reading is FUNdamental man, you should watch those commercials a little more carefully

so because bogut is a better player he should be allowed to take whatever shot he wants with no criticism? unless the shot clock is about to expire i can't think of a reason for bogut to take a guarded fadeaway jumper, and yes, gadz would make those more than bogut would.


i'm not quite sure why europa isn't in here spouting off about double standards like he's prone to do


who said he was as good as bogut? i said he was productive and he was, he was our 2nd leading 4th quarter scorer in one game and he played good d in both. what's the problem?
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Post#24 » by Chapter29 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:22 pm

jerrod wrote:so because bogut is a better player he should be allowed to take whatever shot he wants with no criticism? unless the shot clock is about to expire i can't think of a reason for bogut to take a guarded fadeaway jumper, and yes, gadz would make those more than bogut would.


Nope its just that one player sucks and deserve constant criticism. The other generally does well.

Criticize away, but that like complaining about the music as the titanic sank.
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Post#25 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:24 pm

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Nope its just that one player sucks and deserve constant criticism. The other generally does well.

Criticize away, but that like complaining about the music as the titanic sank.



so gadz deserves constant criticism even when he contributes and helps the team?

yeah, you seem rational

europa, c'mon man, here's your double standard, run with it!
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Post#26 » by Chapter29 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:26 pm

I actually am quite rational, but I know you'll spin what you can.
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Post#27 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:34 pm

Chapter29 wrote:I actually am quite rational, but I know you'll spin what you can.


you probably are, but then why does he deserve "constant criticism" even when he helps the team? that's what i'm interested to know, is it because you just don't like him, no matter what he does?
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Post#28 » by nwy2211 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 5:52 pm

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

you probably are, but then why does he deserve "constant criticism" even when he helps the team? that's what i'm interested to know, is it because you just don't like him, no matter what he does?


From an outsiders perspective, it may be because he is getting paid 6 million a year to run around on the court and look like a chicken with his head cut off.
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Post#29 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:00 pm

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From an outsiders perspective, it may be because he is getting paid 6 million a year to run around on the court and look like a chicken with his head cut off.



blaming him for his contract seems odd to me, but of course i agree that when he plays badly he should be criticized.

but he barely got any playing time until the last 2 games when he finally got a little and he played fairly well.

isn't that what we want? but he's still being harshly criticized.

are you guys just waiting for him just accept a $1 buyout and then you'll like him again?
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Post#30 » by nwy2211 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:11 pm

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blaming him for his contract seems odd to me, but of course i agree that when he plays badly he should be criticized.

but he barely got any playing time until the last 2 games when he finally got a little and he played fairly well.

isn't that what we want? but he's still being harshly criticized.

are you guys just waiting for him just accept a $1 buyout and then you'll like him again?



I agree that he brings hustle and energy(especially the last 2 games) and yeah i see your point on the contract, but it seems clear to me that he obviously is showing nothing in practice to make LK even think of playing him when all the starters are healthy. Basically the contract just adds fuel to the fire for his criticism.
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Post#31 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:20 pm

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I agree that he brings hustle and energy(especially the last 2 games) and yeah i see your point on the contract, but it seems clear to me that he obviously is showing nothing in practice to make LK even think of playing him when all the starters are healthy. Basically the contract just adds fuel to the fire for his criticism.



with this cv fiasco i have trouble giving lk the benefit of the doubt on any rotation issues, but you could easily be right
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Post#32 » by nwy2211 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:28 pm

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with this cv fiasco i have trouble giving lk the benefit of the doubt on any rotation issues


yeah, i completely agree with you there
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Post#33 » by unklchuk » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:31 pm

I also wouldn't assume that no PT for Gadz means LK has solid reasons for the choice.

I also wouldn't blame Gadz for his contract. And a center being overpaid is hardly a new concept.

And, lastly, I wouldn't blame Gadz for the Bucks problems. The energy that goes into hating him is IMO wasted.
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Post#34 » by xTitan » Fri Feb 8, 2008 7:15 pm

reading is FUNdamental man, you should watch those commercials a little more carefully

so because bogut is a better player he should be allowed to take whatever shot he wants with no criticism? unless the shot clock is about to expire i can't think of a reason for bogut to take a guarded fadeaway jumper, and yes, gadz would make those more than bogut would.


i'm not quite sure why europa isn't in here spouting off about double standards like he's prone to do


who said he was as good as bogut? i said he was productive and he was, he was our 2nd leading 4th quarter scorer in one game and he played good d in both. what's the problem?


The bolded statement is about as stupid of a statement that I have seen on here in awhile. Bogut has made jumpshots with the Bucks before, even this year year, he was a good mid range jump shooter in college, where that consistency has gone is a mystery, but Dan G. is a terrible player who maybe has made 3 jump shots in his entire career? I just can't get over how anyone with basic basketball knowledge can believe that.
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Post#35 » by unklchuk » Fri Feb 8, 2008 7:32 pm

I've seen both make jump shots, and I'm surprised when they do. I think I've seen A LITTLE shooting progress with Gadz, but it's easy to forget when you see those giraffe-having-a-fit moves he comes up with. I expect to see shooting progress with Bogut. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

This is a funny little topic to get stuck in your craw, to not be able to "get over."

Reminds me of a friend and I at a Lawrence U talk this week by writer/blogger Andrew Sullivan. She pointed out that the university seal was on an angle. We tried and did not succeed in recruiting a LU person to fix it. Luckily, it was forgotten when Sullivan started to speak. His political commentary is very good.
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Post#36 » by jerrod » Fri Feb 8, 2008 7:33 pm

well, realistically we have no idea who would make more

but gadz has made more than 3 jumpers in his career, for a while he was making one of those every game or 2 and we'd all cringe even after they went in, because then he'd miss 2 or 3 more.

they probably both make them in practice
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Post#37 » by Chapter29 » Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:06 pm

jerrod wrote:you probably are, but then why does he deserve "constant criticism" even when he helps the team? that's what i'm interested to know, is it because you just don't like him, no matter what he does?


Large salary for a terrible basketball player with virtually no skill.

Because he didn't completely stink for a game or 2 isn't going to change my opinion of him.

He had 2 ok games. Good for him. Now trade him fast.
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Post#38 » by El Duderino » Fri Feb 8, 2008 10:33 pm

No need to "showcase" these guys. Every team has scouts and coaches, they already know what all three guys do good or bad.

As for Gadzuric, i like the guy even though he's not much of a player. Plus, since our team sucks, it's entertaining if i have a buzz and Dan comes in a game. Those turn around jumpers he throws up that miss the rim by a few feet crack me up to no end. Even funnier is when out of the blue one of those jumpers not only manage to hit the rim, but goes in. I always picture everyone on the bench getting a good laugh from it.

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