Darko vs Bargnani

[DarkoMilicic]

Couldn't you say the same of Bargnani?m And why is it wrong to have a favorite player who isn't a star? Should I jump ship to the Lakers or something??? I'm confused. I watch a lot of NBA, just because Grizzlies are my favorite doesn't mean I don't watch other teams.

[tsherkin]

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Lets just trade for Joel Pryzbilla then.

Przybilla would be a lot more useful to Toronto, yes...

[Kosta]

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Przybilla would be a lot more useful to Toronto, yes...

So let me get it straight, you'd rather have a Darko type player for the Raptors, but you wouldn't trade Bargnani for Darko, would you?

[Kosta]

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Want to make a deal? I watch the Raps next game and you watch the Grizzlies next game? We then list out what we liked and DISLIKED about each others favorite players.

I'm sure both our stereotypes (Bargnani just a shooter, Darko can't score low post) will be viewed with a better understanding? Up for it?

I have league pass, so I catch plenty of games. I've seen Darko in action a few times this season. I know what his game is about.

[I-AM-A-BEAST]

Actually tsherkin Dirk's rebounding was just as horrible as Bargs in is first two seasons. Bargs rebounding rate last year and this year so far are 9.2 and 9.0 respectively. Dirk's were 9.5 and 9.7.

Dirk is actually is one of the rare cases in NBA history in which a player improved his rebounding drastically over the course of his career. It one of the few things that gives me any hope that Bargs will ever improve his rebounding to competent levels.

But your right overall, Dirk was much farther than Bargs in the case of their development at this point in their careers.

[DarkoMilicic]

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I have league pass, so I catch plenty of games. I've seen Darko in action a few times this season. I know what his game is about.

He has played extremely well after being basically handed the top big man on the team MANTLE. Watch games now, not early season when he battled a bad shooting hand and sprained ankle. I did research on nba.com Grizzlies forum, where I saw that the 10 or so games he played before the injury (vs NOH) he averaged 10 and 7 + 1.5 bpg on 50 fg%. After the injury, you can check his game log and he had like 15 games of below 50 fg%. So it had obviously been bothering him. CHECK HIM NOW, HE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER. He doesn't just chuck stupid ass hooks all game, he does spin moves across baseline, fadeaways, and takes some mid range shots.

[Darko Miliminutes]

They are both starting to show they have real value. But Darko has D. If he doesn't block it, he's gonna alter it. Stats aren't everything... i know espn has told you differently, but really stats aren't everything. Darko would help the Raptors more than Bargs does.

[tsherkin]

Actually tsherkin Dirk's rebounding was just as horrible as Bargs in is first two seasons. Bargs rebounding rate last year and this year so far are 9.2 and 9.0 respectively. Dirk's were 9.5 and 9.7.

But his per-36 RPG average was actually a full rebound per game higher than Bargs at 6.5 rpg (which is what he averaged as a second year player) and 0.7% in rebound rate is actually a significant gap; Dirk was clearly better on the defensive glass (which is from where the gap came).

I've no problem with Bargs on the offensive glass, he's somehow NOT a bad offensive rebounder despite playing 24 feet from the rim most of the time. I guess because we take a lot of long jumpers, he gets after a lot of long offensive boards and he's good about tipping the ball until he gets it or to a nearby teammate. No problems with him on the offensive glass.

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So let me get it straight, you'd rather have a Darko type player for the Raptors, but you wouldn't trade Bargnani for Darko, would you?

I'd be tempted, because it'd help us win a lot more a lot sooner but it would feel... like Kwame and parts for Gasol. Bargs is a 1st overall pick, so you'd like to extract more value from him than a roleplayer but given his level of play, I don't know how much we'll GET for him.

If it was Darko and a top-3/4 protected first rounder in the next 2-4 years (with the protection declining to top 3 then top 1 and then none), I'd be inclined to bite, though, since we get a necessary and valuable piece and then a high lotto pick, presuming Memphis stays crappy to mediocre out West (which is likely considering weak FA draw and the relative strength of the other West franchises).

That I'd do, but straight up or in a deal that's basically Bargs + filler for Darko? No.

[bstein14]

FACT Darko has helped his team win an NBA championship.

FACT Darko broke his hand in a fierce battle between Detroit and LA in the NBA FINALS decisive game 5.

MYTH Darko has less potential and is considerably older than Bargs.

FACT Darko and Bargs are practically the same age.

FACT Now that Pau Gasol has been moved Darko will finally get a chance to shine and show how great he can be.

[Pats19andO]

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He has played extremely well after being basically handed the top big man on the team MANTLE. Watch games now, not early season when he battled a bad shooting hand and sprained ankle. I did research on nba.com Grizzlies forum, where I saw that the 10 or so games he played before the injury (vs NOH) he averaged 10 and 7 + 1.5 bpg on 50 fg%. After the injury, you can check his game log and he had like 15 games of below 50 fg%. So it had obviously been bothering him. CHECK HIM NOW, HE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYER. He doesn't just chuck stupid ass hooks all game, he does spin moves across baseline, fadeaways, and takes some mid range shots.

Didnt you disown Darko like a week ago?

Myth Darko has helped his team win an NBA championship.

FACT Darko broke his hand in a fierce battle between Detroit and LA in the NBA FINALS decisive game 5.

Fact Darko has less potential.

FACT Darko and Bargs are practically the same age.

Myth Now that Pau Gasol has been moved Darko will finally get a chance to shine and show how great he can be.