PFs better than Al Harrington

[FNQ]

There are 30 power forwards who average at least 25 minutes a game. At least 17 of them are unquestionably better than Harrington:

garnett,kevin
bosh,chris - guards/plays C
nowitzki,dirk
jefferson,al - guards/plays C
boozer,carlos
brand,elton - being on the inactive list is better?
smith,josh
gasol,pau - guards/plays C
marion,shawn
west,david
jamison,antawn -
okafor,emeka - guards/plays C
aldridge,lamarcu
randolph,zach -
o'neal,jermaine - guards/plays C
horford,al - guards/plays C
odom,lamar

I'd put another 5 guys at Harrington's general level:

collison,nick - no way
mcdyess,antonio - possibly, I cant stand watching DET games so
martin,kenyon - not a chance
gooden,drew -
haslem,udonis - eh... maybe. Its a trade of range/handle for rebounds there.

Harrington is better than these 7

thomas,tim
lee,david
wilcox,chris
kleiza,linas
murphy,troy
jianlian,yi
diaw,boris

So I have Harrington ranked in the 18-23 range - among 30 players. He's worse than 60% of the starting-caliber PF's in the league.

Those aren't starting PFs bud... the original topic was starting PFs. People assume Bosh is a PF because he's skinny... he guards and plays C in the offense... again people are going based on what NBA Live tells them instead of the actual position they play on the court... same with JO/Jefferson/Pau/Emeka/Horford...

How are 2 players listed from teams when the premise is starting PFs?

Jams is brutal on defense... hes playing pretty well this season, any other season I'd take Al..

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If there are 20 legitimate PFs in the league better than Harrington then what is Harrington? The 21st best starting PF.

Do you see the flaw in logic there?

[Pats19andO]

thethief

[yungal07]

Which PF's are better than Harrington? ALL OF THEM

Except for Kenny Thomas

[RayRe]

Here's espn.coms listed PF starters for reference.

M. Williams
K. Garnett
G. Wallace
J. Smith
D. Gooden
D. Nowitzki
K. Martin
R. Wallace
A. Harrington
C. Hayes
D. Granger
T. Thomas
L. Odom
K. Brown
U. Haslem
Y. Jianlian
R. Gomes
S. Williams
D. West
Z. Randolph
R. Lewis
R. Evans
A. Stoudemire
L. Aldridge
M. Moore
T. Duncan
C. Wilcox
C. Bosh
C. Boozer
A. Jamison

[BrooklynBulls]

Listen Reggie, if you don't want to count PF/Cs, then don't count Harrington. HE'S A PF/C!. He plays nearly as much Center as he does PF. The amount of hypocrisy is ridiculous.

[LakersSquad]

lakers have three, odom/pau/turiaf

Turiaf? Odom is barely better. I'm sure some people would pick Al over Odom too.

[bstein14]

The whole PF/C debate is stupid.

Honestly, Detroit starts two PF's. Sheed and Dice are both more PF's than Centers.

Sheed guards the best opposing post player which is usually a PF, but both Dice and Sheed play mostly perimeter based on offense.

Bottom line is Detroit is starting two PFs

[BROWN]

he's good for the warrios.
not top 10 but... 20-25?

[Ballings7]

Ron Artest is a superior player to Al Harrington. Al Harrington would only be a downgrade for the Kings. The contract and the game and level of play would just be a poor trade for them.

[leevii]

510Reggae with the most ridiculous argument ever. You just want to disqualify all legitimate PFs to make Al top 10 by default? Bosh and Gasol are not PFs because they sometimes guards Cs? What garbage.

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510Reggae with the most ridiculous argument ever. You just want to disqualify all legitimate PFs to make Al top 10 by default? Bosh and Gasol are not PFs because they sometimes guards Cs? What garbage.

Reading comprehension here is lower than even standard America (by the way, thats really low)

Starting PFs... the person who has started the majority of the games for a team at PF. Reading is fun... Same to the BrooklynBulls guy... some of you are so dense, reading only what the initial backtracker wrote...

Al has the most starts at PF for the Warriors...

M. Williams
K. Garnett
G. Wallace
J. Smith
D. Gooden
D. Nowitzki
K. Martin
R. Wallace
A. Harrington
C. Hayes
D. Granger
T. Thomas
L. Odom
K. Brown
U. Haslem
Y. Jianlian
R. Gomes
S. Williams
D. West
Z. Randolph
R. Lewis
R. Evans
A. Stoudemire
L. Aldridge
M. Moore
T. Duncan
C. Wilcox
C. Bosh
C. Boozer
A. Jamison

Sugarcoat it however you want... if you guard a C and that C guards you, call yourself a PF if you want, you aren't... Duncan/Stoudamire/Bosh are prime examples of this...

BTW I really have to love the lists that include Amare, Gasol and Marion all in the same one... if Amare and Gasol are listed as PFs (via trade after the initial ignorant statement), Marion shouldnt...

I realGM PC board logic

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Add U-Borat to the list who fail reading comprehension... who knew the PC board was a microcosm for the country?

[leevii]

510Reggae is splitting so many hairs and in general trying so hard to accommodate Al in his utterly meaningless top 10 PFs list. So if Bosh and Gasol split time playing C and PF, you're just going to disqualify them from the list completely? Maybe you should disqualify Al too since he does the exact same thing.

This is like creating a top 10 "pass first" PG list and then pimping Brevin Knight as a top player. Completely irrelevant.

[FNQ]

Funny... rpa changed his argument from starting PFs in the NBA to just PFs in general... God I wish I could be so sly to take something like that out, and then argue that players who play predominantly at C this season, can also be argued @ PF...

510Reggae is splitting so many hairs and in general trying so hard to accommodate Al in his utterly meaningless top 10 PFs list. So if Bosh and Gasol split time playing C and PF, you're just going to disqualify them from the list completely? Maybe you should disqualify Al too since he does the exact same thing.

I'd have to imagine people are messing with me at this point A group of people cant be this dense... egg's on my face, ya'll got me

[leevii]

And since 510Reggae wants to get all technical with the starting PF thing, here's a list of official starting PFs (given by ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/depth) better than Al:

KG
Gerald Wallace
Josh Smith
Dirk
Rasheed
Odom
West
Rashard
Amare
LaMarcus
Duncan
Bosh
Boozer
Jamison

Do yourself a favor and check the starting lineups. All these players START at PF.

[dockingsched]

amare hasn't started a single game at pf and since this thread started on wednesday, its not fair to call amare a pf based on the recent shaq trade in this comparison.

[leevii]

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I'd have to imagine people are messing with me at this point A group of people cant be this dense... egg's on my face, ya'll got me

OK, maybe you haven't been paying attention to the NBA or something, but these players start at PF:

Duncan (Oberto at C)
Bosh (Bargs at C)
Amare (Shaq at C)

[FNQ]

Yet they guard C and are guarded by Cs...

NBA Live 2008 Rosters FTW!

Like Bargnani guards C... like Oberto does too... Oh leevii, you slay me with your blind attachment to a half-assed 'article'...

To be fair, only 3 on that list I even have a problem with... Amare (who played only @ C when the debate started), Duncan, and Bosh (obv. reasons). Hell even Rasho will spend more time guarding PFs than Bosh... especially when these teams fall into zone...

I'm probably getting too analytical for you about now... go to 82games.com and see where these people play... when pressed for a response, they said they based %s on who was guarding the player and who that player guarded...

http://www.82games.com/0708/07TOR14C.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07SAS18C.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHO13C.HTM

[leevii]

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Sugarcoat it however you want... if you guard a C and that C guards you, call yourself a PF if you want, you aren't... Duncan/Stoudamire/Bosh are prime examples of this...

BTW I really have to love the lists that include Amare, Gasol and Marion all in the same one... if Amare and Gasol are listed as PFs (via trade after the initial ignorant statement), Marion shouldnt...

I realGM PC board logic

Instead of calling people dense and questioning their reading comprehension, maybe you should make up your mind first. First, you say Al is a top 10 STARTING PF, then you discount STARTING PFs like Duncan, Stoudamire, Bosh because they play a little C.