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Wizards @ Nuggets 2/8/08

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Who will win?

The Wizards
3
27%
The McNuggets
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73%
 
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Post#261 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 9, 2008 8:57 am

80sballboy wrote:There's a reason why I don't comment during the games. Reading some of these posts are laughable. Wiz had no point guard for 3 quarters and no Caron. Forget Gilbert. We haven't had him all season. I'm glad EJ played Pech, DMac and Young all night. You get to see the good and bad with the rooks. To say EJ shouldn't play this guy over Wood or not play Songaila? WTF? Do you think you can survive by playing 7 or 8 players in the NBA?

Pech is a joke on offense right now. I said this a few weeks ago that he's allergic to the paint. That Knicks game where he hit all those 3s got everybody excited about his potential and he's made ony a few since then. How about going inside occasionally and using your 7-foot frame? Kid has a long ways to go in terms of getting more strength, but I think he'll be ok. At least he rebounds. Dmac would look great on the Suns. I swear he's still getting used to playing small forward because in college, he was mainly a four-man. His perimeter defense needs a lot of work. Just because you can block shots in college, doesn't mean that translates over here. Also shows you what the Summer League means.

But I'm glad these guys are getting playing time. They aren't going to get better on the bench. You can blame EJ for not playing the starters late, but who cares? Why play Haywood when Camby isn't in the game? Give these guys some rest. I'm looking at these games now as judging individuals off the bench to see if they can help later on. If we get a win in the process, great, but right now, we don't have the talent or experience. I mean Blatche looks like an All-Star on one play and a high school player when he tries to make a foolish pass or drive. How can you win with such little margin for error, when you have to depend on a guy like that? Or Mason, who is shooting like one?

I would say until Butler returns, have fun watching the young guys, don't worry about the record and keep expectations low.


Well said, 80sballboy.

The folks who are getting all upset really don't seem to understand the depth of the injuries and the inexperience of the guys playing. Even Mason was a nobody before this season.

The team's cap situation has resulted in NO PGs now when Daniels is out.

I for one see the positive tonight was THEY DID BETTER THE LAST THREE QUARTERS BECAUSE EJ SAID JUST FREELANCE. The first quarter they wanted to execute the offense but Daniels was down.

The Wizards played garbage ball the last three quarters and exceeded 30 points in two of those quarters.

Anytime Songaila drops 15 you have to say he tried.

The Wizards had several calls go against them tonight but they still only loss 11.

I think this was a good coaching night for EJ.

He didn't play Jamison 40 plus minutes in a loss. Everybody played. Young guys played pretty well.

So, just live with that for now because it's the best they can do.
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Post#262 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 9, 2008 2:34 pm

Yeah, the calls were frustrating all night. It's bad enough to have to face a superior team on the road when you're missing your first, second, fifth and sixth best player, but it's ridiculous when the refs are cheating against you too.

I'm not saying we would have won. Denver was obviously toying with us. But it's just frustrating.
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Post#263 » by johnbragg » Sat Feb 9, 2008 3:53 pm

I didn't get to watch last night, caught the boxscore this morning.

Was about to post a defense of EJ, but 80sBallboy nailed it, and props to CCJ for cosigning. When Daniels went down, this became a preseason game.

Songaila 6 for 10, 15 points in 22 minutes.
Young 7 for 13, 19 points in starter minutes
Jamison got his way out of his slump, 8 for 19. (I'd rather he had played even less after he got rolling, give his over-30 joints some more rest.)
McGuire and Pecherov got second string minutes.

We also found out that Blachte isn't ready to defend All-star wing players, even for a stretch.
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Post#264 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat Feb 9, 2008 5:27 pm

nate, who is the 6th best player on the team?

1. Arenas
2. Butler
3. Jamison
4. Haywood
5. Stevenson
6. Daniels
7. Blatche
8. Mason/Young
9. Young/Mason
10. Thomas?
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Post#265 » by Rafael122 » Sat Feb 9, 2008 5:47 pm

I didn't watch the game at all, was it that bad? I'm not watching b/c it's just depressing to watch a team try so hard, yet still lose b/c we don't have enough horses to run with them.
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Post#266 » by OmniDEN » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:05 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



How do you explain despite the dunks the Wizards have outscored Denver this quarter?

My point is Denver is the better team and they are at full strength, so all the negativity is just wrong.


Just FYI...Denver is nowhere near full strength.
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Post#267 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:36 pm

you're ridiculous! najera played 17 minutes last night! how can you compare nene to arenas and butler?! arenas has made all-nba teams two years straight and butler is a two time all-star! nene is a bum, he has always been a bum and will never live up to his contract. for cying out loud he doesn't even start. the fact that melo had his career high and the wizards were within striking distance is an embarrassment since they were playing without arenas, butler, their backup center thomas, and their now starting point guard daniels. you're just pissed cause you know that no matter how many scrub teams you beat, like the wizards, you'll never get past the jazz.
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Post#268 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:48 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:nate, who is the 6th best player on the team?

1. Arenas
2. Butler
3. Jamison
4. Haywood
5. Stevenson
6. Daniels
7. Blatche
8. Mason/Young
9. Young/Mason
10. Thomas?

I was referring to Etan, but I guess 6th is high.

Etan is probably 8th. You make a case that he is better than Stevenson and Blatche though, not on our squad necessarily, but in the abstract.
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Post#269 » by dandridge 10 » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:51 pm

I'm not blaming anyone for the loss last night. We just don't have the horses to run with Denver right now. That is why I decided to go to bed at halftime instead of watching the Wiz be someone's punching bag. But, is it just me, or does it always seem like every game someone is getting their career high against the Wiz. Last night it was Carmelo and a few nights ago it was Thaddeus Young. It would be interesting to see how many games during the season an opposing player got their career high against the Wizards vs. other teams. Any stat geeks out there know the answer? It probably would be more relevant to look at players that have been in the league over 5 years at least, as rookies may be setting a new career high several times over the season.
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Post#270 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:01 pm

dandridge 10 wrote:I'm not blaming anyone for the loss last night. We just don't have the horses to run with Denver right now. That is why I decided to go to bed at halftime instead of watching the Wiz be someone's punching bag. But, is it just me, or does it always seem like every game someone is getting their career high against the Wiz. Last night it was Carmelo and a few nights ago it was Thaddeus Young. It would be interesting to see how many games during the season an opposing player got their career high against the Wizards vs. other teams. Any stat geeks out there know the answer? It probably would be more relevant to look at players that have been in the league over 5 years at least, as rookies may be setting a new career high several times over the season.

I actually think that phenomena hasn't been nearly as common this year. In years past, it seemed like some scrub would have a career high game every night. This season, there really haven't been too many bad ones. Yes Melo caught fire and Thaddeous Young did too. Josh Smith and Jose Calderon almost had season highs against us. But who else?
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Post#271 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 9, 2008 9:00 pm

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I actually think that phenomena hasn't been nearly as common this year. In years past, it seemed like some scrub would have a career high game every night. This season, there really haven't been too many bad ones. Yes Melo caught fire and Thaddeous Young did too. Josh Smith and Jose Calderon almost had season highs against us. But who else?

Royal Ivey, Juan Carlos Navarro, and Sean Williams come to mind.

Don't know that they had career highs, but they did kick the Wizards' butts.
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Post#272 » by DC old guy » Sat Feb 9, 2008 11:16 pm

I think the subs actually played well.Nick Young looked like the next Rick Hamilton. Same physique, same floating around the court to make himself open.
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Post#273 » by daSwami » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:03 pm

I'd be happy if young ends up playing a similar game to one of ej's old jersey faves: pre-injury kerry kittles, a quick, hard-nosed defender who could nail the open jumper as needed. young has a looong way to go to become anything resembling "hard-nosed" He's got the quicks though.
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Post#274 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:42 pm

I said a long time ago in a preseason thread that Young reminds me of Kerry Kittles. From the neck down, he looks exactly like him. His forearms are absurdly long and he plays with his elbows half-bent all the time just like Kittles did.
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Post#275 » by no D in Hibachi » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:50 am

How about this for a moral victory. The Cavs got blown out at home by the Nuggets. I guess that only losing by 11 on the road doesn't look so bad knowing that the Nuggets crushed the Cavs by 30 in Cleveland.
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Post#276 » by doclinkin » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:42 am

Yeah but the Cavs were missing Drew Gooden. And Anderson Varejao, while the Wizards were only missing um...

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