Wiretap:Popovich rips Gasol Trade

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Post#101 » by Serpo » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:03 am

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Wrong, the fans/GM's/coaches/players of the other 28 teams are bitching.

And I don't think any Laker fan is saying that it wasn't a great deal. Most sane people are just explaining why Memphis made the deal. This has nothing to do with Laker fans. Why don't the people bitching admit that they are just pissed the GM of their teams couldn't make the deal.......


To know and understand why Memphis made it doesn't mean you have to agree with it . Of course it was great for the Lakers cause they didn't give up anything , but that's not the point .

The point is Memphis Memphis didn't get anything significant but Capspace and it's doubtful they'd be able to spend it sensibly .

They also rushed the deal with almost 3 weeks left before deadline , there had to be something better out there .

If not you'll still be able to pull the trigger later , it's not like the Lakers wouldn't want to trade at deadline anymore since they don't lose anything.
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Even as a Laker-fand you have to be wondering if Chris Wallace lost his mind .
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Post#102 » by Puertorique » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:15 am

The Grizzlies may prove to be one of the worst organizations in the league only behind the Clippers, however I don't see a problem with what the Lakers did. Was it a fair talent trade, HELL no. Memphis got screwed but did so knowingly. Kudos to the Lakers for the move.

As for the Grizzlies. I think at one point the GM felt shunned after he didn't get to gut the Bulls for their talent to take Gasol off their hands. What the Grizzlies wanted from Chicago was 3 good players and expiring. After the Bulls said no and a few other teams probably did the same, right fully so I think the GM said fine and traded Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame Brown just to spite the league. Everyone knows this was possibly the worst trade that the Grizzlies could have taken. Unfortunately for the team and it's fans that will be realized later down the line.
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Post#103 » by CITYOFANGELSX3 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:30 am

It all comes down to money, the bulls could of made a deal but refused because they would be over the tax threshold. What i read was the Lakers were the only team willing to take gasol and in doing that they're gonna be way over the tax and pay a lot. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post#104 » by SA37 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:50 am

CITYOFANGELSX3 wrote:It all comes down to money, the bulls could of made a deal but refused because they would be over the tax threshold. What i read was the Lakers were the only team willing to take gasol and in doing that they're gonna be way over the tax and pay a lot. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


If they were the only team willing to take Gasol, no one would be complaining all that much, would they?

There have been articles already that have GMs saying that a few weeks earlier the Grizzlies were asking for a lot more in return than what they actually ended up trading Gasol for.
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Post#105 » by a-rod » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:46 am

frankly i think pops should mind his own business, the spurs are on slow decline and thats what should be concern about.

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"What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension," said Popovich. "There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committe that oversees NBA trades. I'd like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade."

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Post#106 » by Harper4Ferry? » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:31 am

They should have at least made the team trading nothing for Gasol, also take Cardinal in the same deal.

Nobody would be complaining if it was Marion and Banks for Gasol and Cardinal....that's a much more reasonable trade.
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Post#107 » by dockingsched » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:52 am

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If they were the only team willing to take Gasol, no one would be complaining all that much, would they?

There have been articles already that have GMs saying that a few weeks earlier the Grizzlies were asking for a lot more in return than what they actually ended up trading Gasol for.


did u mean that they were receiving offers for a lot more? just cause they were asking for it doesn't mean anything. anywhoo, link?
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Post#108 » by Mindflayer » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:53 am

Puertorique wrote:The Grizzlies may prove to be one of the worst organizations in the league only behind the Clippers, however I don't see a problem with what the Lakers did. Was it a fair talent trade, HELL no. Memphis got screwed but did so knowingly. Kudos to the Lakers for the move.

As for the Grizzlies. I think at one point the GM felt shunned after he didn't get to gut the Bulls for their talent to take Gasol off their hands. What the Grizzlies wanted from Chicago was 3 good players and expiring. After the Bulls said no and a few other teams probably did the same, right fully so I think the GM said fine and traded Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame Brown just to spite the league. Everyone knows this was possibly the worst trade that the Grizzlies could have taken. Unfortunately for the team and it's fans that will be realized later down the line.


Memphis wanted wanted no part of Nocioni's long term contract. If Chicago's 3 players were so good how come they are under 500 in the lEAST. If Chicago was willing to sign PJ Brown and trade him instead they probably would have had Gasol. They wouldn't and no other team would either. Go to the Chicago board and you'll see 50 pages of them complaining about this.
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Post#109 » by pro2020 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:00 am

a-rod wrote:frankly i think pops should mind his own business, the spurs are on slow decline and thats what should be concern about.

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says the guy who tanked to get Duncan.

they've been on a slow "decline" since 1999, yet they've won 3 more Championships, gotta love it.
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Post#110 » by ss1986v2 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:58 am

i dont know why people seem to be having a hard time figuring this out. its simply pops dry sense of humor. sure, he doesnt like the deal, but no other western conference team, lakers aside, does either. hes just poking fun at the whole thing. from the san antonio express news:

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Post#111 » by LAKESHOW » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:12 am

the statement has already be made public on record. its called phoenix picking up shaq. thats a response to the LAKER move. THEY KNOW. THEY SEE IT.

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Post#112 » by SA37 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:36 am

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did u mean that they were receiving offers for a lot more? just cause they were asking for it doesn't mean anything. anywhoo, link?


I can't be asked to go find the article again. I've ready 10-15 articles on the trade. IIRC, it was an ESPN article, I think it was a Chad Ford Insider article they gave a free preview of, where he talked about deals that would have been better for Memphis. (That would have had the quote about the GMs saying Wallace had been asking for more just 2-3 weeks before the deal went down.)

I don't know what offers they received for Gasol, but I do know that when the entire league reacts like this to a deal, that means there are at least a handful of teams that would have and could have made better offers for Gasol.

If you believe the Lakers were the only team that could offer an expiring deal, some late draft picks, and a questionable (to put it mildly) prospect, you're welcome to it.

Atlanta could have offered a better prospect(s) and expirings; same with Chicago (Thomas and Brown being the center of that deal). Miami and the Clippers could have helped facilitate a deal where they offered an expring (Williams, Davis, or Cassell).

It isn't necessarily all about expirings that end this year, as Memphis turned around and dealt an expiring deal (Swift) for a deal that expires next year (Collins).

The point is, Memphis had options when trading Gasol. It isn't like no one wanted him. The consensus around the league is it is a bad trade for the Grizzlies and they absolutely could have gotten more. You can read all about it anywhere on the 'net.
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Post#113 » by dockingsched » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:03 am

atlanta was in no position to trade for gasol, u seem to be ignoring that. josh smith is due a huge contract and the hawks already have horford at center. combine that with their ownership situation and the fact that they are several years away from seriously competing and do u really think the hawks were in a position to trade for gasol? is there even anything that says the hawks were pursuing gasol or is that just something fabricated? this whole 3 team deals to facilitate a deal is realgm trade board stuff, teams rarely start creating 3 team or 4 team trades. i mean, u just throw the clippers name in there cause they have an expiring, it doesn't work like that.

from most reports coming out of chicago, they were the ones that weren't willing to pay lux tax to acquire gasol and instead wanted the grizz to absorb the contracts of their good role players. if the grizz are trying to rebuild, why trade for role players with unwanted contracts? i just see a bunch of what ifs going on here like if the grizz purposely ignored better offers that met their goals.
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Post#114 » by Chief » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:16 am

The league should be contracted down to 26 anyways.. it would solve most of these problems.
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Post#115 » by dockingsched » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:16 am

stromile and collins basically have the same contract. swift has an option but he's not passing over 6 mil.
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Post#116 » by Bgil » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:47 pm

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I can't be asked to go find the article again. I've ready 10-15 articles on the trade. IIRC, it was an ESPN article, I think it was a Chad Ford Insider article they gave a free preview of, where he talked about deals that would have been better for Memphis. (That would have had the quote about the GMs saying Wallace had been asking for more just 2-3 weeks before the deal went down.)

I don't know what offers they received for Gasol, but I do know that when the entire league reacts like this to a deal, that means there are at least a handful of teams that would have and could have made better offers for Gasol.

If you believe the Lakers were the only team that could offer an expiring deal, some late draft picks, and a questionable (to put it mildly) prospect, you're welcome to it.

Atlanta could have offered a better prospect(s) and expirings; same with Chicago (Thomas and Brown being the center of that deal). Miami and the Clippers could have helped facilitate a deal where they offered an expring (Williams, Davis, or Cassell).

It isn't necessarily all about expirings that end this year, as Memphis turned around and dealt an expiring deal (Swift) for a deal that expires next year (Collins).

The point is, Memphis had options when trading Gasol. It isn't like no one wanted him. The consensus around the league is it is a bad trade for the Grizzlies and they absolutely could have gotten more. You can read all about it anywhere on the 'net.


You're just whining now. WTF do the Clippers or Hawks want with a near-max center/pf? Both teams are already loaded there, neither team is close enough contending to make it worthwhile, and both teams have cheap owners not willing to go that far over the lux tax threshold. The Suns weren't willing to pay lux tax (at the time) and ANY phoenix fan would have told you that they way they've been selling players and draft picks for nothing the last few years (they should have kept Joe Johnson).

The Lakers were the only team willing to go over the tax and be able to provide 12 million+ in expirings (McKie and Kwame).
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Post#117 » by Bgil » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:54 pm

LAL also gave up a buttload of picks when you consider it was Critt (2007), Marc Gasol (should have been a first), and two first rounders in 2008 and 2010.

Why didn't anyone complain like this when AI went for two firsts and Andre Miller?

edit:This deal isn't nearly as shady as that Peja-Harrington crap. Peja left IND as a free agent to NOH. Then just as he gets ready to sign they recieve a call from IND asking for a sign and trade instead of a straight FA signing as that would give IND a trade exception by which they can use to get Al Harrington and keep him out of the NOH's division/conference.
That's straight up collusion and sabotage (at best). Peja got exactly the same money as he would have if he had just sign with NOH straight up and the Pacers get Al Harrington when they couldn't have gotten him otherwise.

That brings up another issue... why didn't anyone talk about that GS-IND trade? IND takes all of GS bad contracts in return for far superior talent.
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Post#118 » by writerman » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:25 pm

but I sometimes wonder if the league didn't pull some strings behind the scenes to make this happen.

Consider: the Lakers, one of the league's glamor showcase franchises, are more or less languishing, going nowhere in the immediate future. Voila! the big they need suddenly is not only available, but available at a price that would beat any price offered by some guy trying to sell you a hot Rolex he just stole and needs to move before the cops catch him. How frikkin' convenient!

You can rationalize about the Griz--unlike the Lakers, not one of the NBA's glamor franchises-- needing to rebuild all you want. This one stinks worse than a bunch of fish that have been left out in the July sun for a few days.
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Post#119 » by NetsForce » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:39 pm

No Marc Gasol should not have been a 1st round pick. Cod damn it yo, the Marc Gasol hype is ridiculous completely f'ing ridiculous...
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Post#120 » by dockingsched » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:54 pm

writerman wrote:but I sometimes wonder if the league didn't pull some strings behind the scenes to make this happen.

Consider: the Lakers, one of the league's glamor showcase franchises, are more or less languishing, going nowhere in the immediate future. Voila! the big they need suddenly is not only available, but available at a price that would beat any price offered by some guy trying to sell you a hot Rolex he just stole and needs to move before the cops catch him. How frikkin' convenient!

You can rationalize about the Griz--unlike the Lakers, not one of the NBA's glamor franchises-- needing to rebuild all you want. This one stinks worse than a bunch of fish that have been left out in the July sun for a few days.


the lakers spent time at the top of the western conference while bynum was healthy. languising? :lol:
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