Lamar in a perfect situation now!

[B-Scott]

[quote="blix"][/quote]

Gasol is not a better rebounder then Lamar and there will be situations where Bynum and Lamar up front is better then Gasol and Bynum against certain teams in the playoffs.

Since the Gasol trade Lamar is averaging 15 points 12 rebounds on 66% shooting. Very effecient

Mark my word. Bynum and Lamar will match up better with Phoenix and Golden state as the center and PF combination then Gasol and Bynum.

I like Gasol,but there are certain matchups that he struggles against,and Lamar is better at the 4

[blix]

I'm not sure which post you're responding to, but I hope you're right. Regardless of how it works out, having to decide between a front line of Gasol/Bynum, Bynum/Odom, or Gasol/Odom is a nice problem to have.

[B-Scott]

I'm not sure which post you're responding to, but I hope you're right. Regardless of how it works out, having to decide between a front line of Gasol/Bynum, Bynum/Odom, or Gasol/Odom is a nice problem to have.

Agreed

The Lakers can match up against all types of style teams from smaller teams that are are quicker to teams with big frontlines.

If the Warriors want to go small we can matchup with them.

[EHL]

The Warriors and Suns are pretenders, which is why it's good to know that the Gasol trade puts the Lakers in real contention against the real powerhouses to worry about; Spurs, Celtics, Pistons.

[15cmngsoon]

Back to my original post...make that 4 games in a row! Today: 15 pts., 18 rebounds, 6 assists. VERY nice!

[Gerald3Wallace]

Back to my original post...make that 4 games in a row! Today: 15 pts., 18 rebounds, 6 assists. VERY nice!

6 games in row

2/1/08 - 12pts/10rebs/8ast
2/3/08 - 14pts/7rebs/5ast
2/5/08 - 14pts/15rebs/5ast
2/6/08 - 19pts/11rebs/3ast
2/8/08 - 5/5fg 12pts/6rebs/3ast
2/10/08 - 15pts/18rebs/6ast

[KobeFan]

You crazy, Odom makes $10.83/season. He should be putting up 25 pts, 10 rebs, and 10 assists every night. He's NOT consistent! He's overpaid trash! Or here's my favorite: "he's a 4th option" .. however that is relevant to the amount he should be paid.

Odom signed a backloaded 6/$65 ... he's making a fair 11/season. What we saved in the early part of his contract we are paying for now. He's a bargain at $11/season.

[Gerald3Wallace]

[TyCobb]

All we need Lamar to do is rebound and pass...and guess what, he is doing a great job at both right now.

I just hope he doesn't go back to that star thing now that he's playing better.

[KobeFan]

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again...is it his fault he is being paid that much? hell i would sign for that much too..and i know u would too...he avraged 17 and 10 as a first option when he got the contract..

u honestly think he would average the same playing behind kobe? and gasol?

I was mocking the sentiments of the rest of the board.

I am very pro Odom.

[Gerald3Wallace]

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I was mocking the sentiments of the rest of the board.

I am very pro Odom.

lol lol ///im editing my post haha

[blix]

here's my favorite: "he's a 4th option" .. however that is relevant to the amount he should be paid.

Yeah, it's insane to think that his contract should reflect his impact on the game, especially in critical moments. What the hell was I thinking?

I was mocking the sentiments of the rest of the board.

I am very pro Odom.

Thanks for continuing to post like you haven't read a word.

Grow up.

[milesfides]

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I was mocking the sentiments of the rest of the board.

Are you sure you want to take on that attitude?

[KobeFan]

Yeah, it's insane to think that his contract should reflect his impact on the game, especially in critical moments. What the hell was I thinking?

Odom plays 37 minutes per game (starters minutes) and has a comparable PER to James Worthy. How is his impact/production not worth a fair $11/season? And if we're not referring to his scoring, what the heck is a "4th option" anyway? it's a vague statement with no substance.

I'm not attacking anybody personally, I'm only attacking an unfair--generally accepted argument--towards Odom.

[Lost Angel]

well nobody seems to realize just how much the Gasol trade raised his value to the team.


less shots with more efficiency. he is perfect next to Gasol and Kobe, and soon to be, Bynum

[blix]

Yeah, it's insane to think that his contract should reflect his impact on the game, especially in critical moments. What the hell was I thinking?

Odom plays 37 minutes per game (starters minutes) and has a comparable PER to James Worthy. How is his impact/production not worth a fair $11/season? And if we're not referring to his scoring, what the heck is a "4th option" anyway? it's a vague statement with no substance.

I'm not attacking anybody personally, I'm only attacking an unfair--generally accepted argument--towards Odom.

This is why I asked you twice to go back and read what I wrote.

4th option and scoring numbers are different. He needs to be able to keep his focus for 48 minutes night in and night out. I'm talking about trust - who do you want involved with the game on the line? He can do it, but he needs to stop dribbling the ball off his feet, blowing layups, etc at crucial moments.

At this point...

Kobe is a better option
Gasol is a better option
Bynum is a better option

If your only argument for Odom is that his career PER is comparable to a man who retired due to a knee injury with:

* All-NBA Third Team twice (1990, '91)
* NBA All-Rookie Team (1983) as he averaged 13.4 points and 5.2 rebounds per game
* NBA Finals MVP (1988)
* NBA All-Star seven times (1986-92)
* All-time record for highest field goal percentage in a five-game series (.721) (1985)
* Highest field goal percentage for a rookie in Laker history (.579)
* Averaged 17.6 ppg and 5.1 rpg and 3.0 apg in 926 career games; averaged 21.1 ppg and 5.2 rpg in 143 career playoff games
* In Laker history, he is fifth in scoring (16,320 points), second in steals (1,041) and sixth in field goal percentage (.521)
* Retired as the 54th leading scorer in NBA history with 16,320 points
* One of seven Lakers to have his number (#42) retired


...then I really don't know what to say. Again, I'll say this as plainly as I can and perhaps you'll pay attention this time around....I hope this streak he's on is a sign of things to come, but I still don't trust him not to blow it with the game on the line. Not yet. There are 3, and maybe even 4 guys I trust first. 5 if you count JW.

I said it earlier, right now he's playing like the ultimate role player, and that's fantastic. It's exactly what we need. He may be the guy that gets us that crucial rebound right when we need it, I hope he does.

[Erik Eleven]

That right there ^, is a good post.

[KB20]

[quote="Gerald3Wallace"][/quote]

That's an average of 14/12/5!!! That's very good production out of our 3rd option and I'm really excited to see what will happen when Bynum comes back. Watching him today, he was a completely different player. There were several times when he had a wide open 3 pointer but he looked to drive or pass. That's a very good sign. Not to mention his jumper was actually falling.

[KobeFan]

Since Odom is the "4th option"--when it comes to who takes the last shot of the game--that defines him, his career, and his value to this team? Seriously, how much sense does that make?

I don't understand the constant criticism of his "consistency". His averages show he has consistently put up 15/9/5 per game over his 9 year career. how much better of an indicator can we use to define consistency when we have his career per game averages?

James Worthy has had a prestigious career, and is one of the all time Laker greats. I'm not trying to take anything away from him. What I'm trying to highlight is his equivalent value using (PER) which embodies all of the statistics we use to quantify a players production level.

Odom's game isn't as aesthetically pleasing, but he has an equivalent level of production to James Worthy.

Using Worthy's all time career accolades--to defend your point, in context of this argument--doesn't make any sense, and I shouldn't have to explain why.

[EHL]

Since Odom is the "4th option"--when it comes to who takes the last shot of the game--that defines him, his career, and his value to this team? Seriously, how much sense does that make?

I don't understand the constant criticism of his "consistency". His averages show he has consistently put up 15/9/5 per game over his 9 year career. how much better of an indicator can we use to define consistency when we have his career per game averages?

James Worthy has had a prestigious career, and is one of the all time Laker greats. I'm not trying to take anything away from him. What I'm trying to highlight is his equivalent value using (PER) which embodies all of the statistics we use to quantify a players production level.

Odom's game isn't as aesthetically pleasing, but he has an equivalent level of production to James Worthy.

Using Worthy's all time career accolades--to defend your point, in context of this argument--doesn't make any sense, and I shouldn't have to explain why.

You can use Worthy's accomplishments up to the same age that Odom is now (28 ), and his still blows his out of the water. Also, Worthy played at another level in the playoffs, bringing his FG% up to 57% and 59% during two separate postseasons, once during a title run, scoring 24-25 ppg in the process and winning a Finals MVP in addition to that. Worthy's far superior postseason success deep in the playoffs against far superior defensive teams than the ones Odom has faced is exactly why he is as legendary as they come in comparison to LO. And statistically that amounts to PERs over 20, while LO's career Laker average is a PER of 16.5. That, my friend, is a large difference.

You using Worthy's career PER is misleading, btw, since that includes his declining years as well. Oh, and LO averaged $12M a year since signing his contract with the Heat, not $11M. That is overpaid given his production, and will be extremely overpaid when he's a 4th option. That's why Kupchak recently said LO can "still" have a place on the team, answering questions about whether he has now become more expendable.