DJ I know you are all over the trade boards and seem to have your finger on the pulse at what other teams might be willing to give up.
So come up with your best Sonics package to land us a young stud SG in the league. Obviously the less we give up the better. Ideally he could come in and start. So Durant can move to the three.
Actually this is open to anyone but I know DJ loves this stuff.
You know the usual suspects that the Sonics would be willing to move.
He has to play D too.
Hey DJ find the Sonics a shooting guard.
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Hey DJ find the Sonics a shooting guard.
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My question is if it's easier to find a PG by trading, and get a SG in this draft (Mayo, Gordon). Assuming we don't get Rose or Beasley
I'm actually a fan of this trade
Michael Redd + Charlie V for Jeff Green, Kurt Thomas, Delonte West
But Wiff and I have disagreed at this one already. I think Redd is perfect fit next to Durant, they already know each other from team USA over the summer. He's also the same age Ray Allen was when we acquired him. Imagine if we did this then ended up being able to get one of Rose or Beasley. Either one would fit the team perfectly.
Derek Anderson, Ryan Hollins, Othella Harrington, Raymond Felton for Delonte West, Chris Wilcox.
This gives us as PG for the future in Felton, meaning it may be easier to get a SG in the draft.
I'm actually a fan of this trade
Michael Redd + Charlie V for Jeff Green, Kurt Thomas, Delonte West
But Wiff and I have disagreed at this one already. I think Redd is perfect fit next to Durant, they already know each other from team USA over the summer. He's also the same age Ray Allen was when we acquired him. Imagine if we did this then ended up being able to get one of Rose or Beasley. Either one would fit the team perfectly.
Derek Anderson, Ryan Hollins, Othella Harrington, Raymond Felton for Delonte West, Chris Wilcox.
This gives us as PG for the future in Felton, meaning it may be easier to get a SG in the draft.
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They are but the Sonics just don't have any.
Maybe it was because Ray Allen owned the position before he was traded and why bother drafting one when they won't see minutes off the end of the bench.
Rome wasn't built in a day Dick.
Plus the Sonics have a SG for the year his name is Kevin. He's pretty good you should watch him sometime Dick. But chances are he'll eventually move to the SF next year. Maybe even sooner.
I could see Presti using the Suns pick on a SG this coming draft.
Maybe it was because Ray Allen owned the position before he was traded and why bother drafting one when they won't see minutes off the end of the bench.
Rome wasn't built in a day Dick.
Plus the Sonics have a SG for the year his name is Kevin. He's pretty good you should watch him sometime Dick. But chances are he'll eventually move to the SF next year. Maybe even sooner.
I could see Presti using the Suns pick on a SG this coming draft.
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If you are in search of a SG, a good team to look at would be the Utah Jazz. Yes they are a division rival, however they are a bit loaded with young SG's....
Ronnie Brewer
CJ Miles (looks to be developing a bit this season)
Morris Almond (on fire in the D-league)
After the acquisition of Kyle Korver one would think we could pick up one of the others for a draft pick.
Ronnie Brewer
CJ Miles (looks to be developing a bit this season)
Morris Almond (on fire in the D-league)
After the acquisition of Kyle Korver one would think we could pick up one of the others for a draft pick.
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It's an honor to be asked. I'll try my best to answer. It's going to be long, but remember, you asked. 
I think there's a number of criteria that have to be considered before one can settle on the right SG for the Sonics. And depending on your opinion on the various criteria, reasonable people can come to different conclusions on who the right SG should be.
Skills - Three point range, defends, good BBIQ, finishes, athletic, can handle at least adequately, 6'5" or bigger.
Character - No douche bags or locker room lawyers.
Intangibles - Needs to be a guy who wants to be part of the Sonics, so count most "I want a chance at a championship" mature veterans out. The Sonics won't be ready to seriously contend for three years, which is way too long for those types.
Contract - One of the reasons the Spurs are successful is that their best guys are paid the most and their worst guys are paid the least. Visa versa for the Knicks. And B Wallace with the Bulls. Duh. K Durant is going to be our best guy. His salary theorectically should grow with the team's success. Everyone else needs to make correspondingly less, or the chemistry thing becomes an issue.
Availability - You shouldn't want what you can't have. It's no use wishing for L James. Plus you figure out when you want to add a guy to the team factoring in expiration of contracts (you don't want five guys to come up the same year) and team need/development.
So looking at team need you can't help but notice we've already got some SGs... K Durant, D Wilkins, W Szczerbiak, M Gelabale & D West (kind of). Do we need any more? When?
IMO the Sonics are set at SG until at least this time next season. That's K Durant starting with W Szczerbiak getting the bulk of the backup minutes. The remaining bits fall to either D Wilkins or D West. And, IMO, M Gelabale's NBA experience is about over so who cares about him anyway?
So there's my answer. I don't think the Sonics need another SG right now. In fact I think we need to get rid of one. Either W Szczerbiak or D Wilkins. I don't think anything will come of the W Szczerbiak to the Cavaliers for I Newble, E Snow & a 1st. I think the Cavs would find a way to get the younger, better, less expensive M Miller before they'd take W Szczerbiak. But stranger things have happened. If I'm Sam Presti I'd do the trade in a minute. However, short of getting a 1st for Szczerbiak I wouldn't trade him now. I'd wait until this time next season when his value will increase due to his expiring contract. Which means D Wilkins is odd man out. Which may drive him to opt out, if he's not used as trade filler. I hope not. He's a good guy. Meets all the SG skill criteria. Not paid too much. But there will be playing time issues for a year if he stays. Too bad. I like D Wilkins as the 8th guy in the rotation.
Having said that I would also try to get another SG. Via next June's draft. A guy that'll sit on the bench for a while and learn the regular slow rookie way. Top targets are Kansas' B Rush, Kansas State's Bill Walker, Oregon's B Taylor & Memphis' C Douglas-Roberts. I specifically don't have WSU's K Weaver listed because he can't shoot. Not that he just can't shoot the three, he's a crappy shooter period. They're called Shooting Guards for a reason. Those dudes have to be able to shoot. K Weaver can't.
But if I had to make a trade, the one guy in the NBA that would be great for the Sonics is Utah's CJ Miles. He's pissed at Utah management over the way they handled his contract last summer, so he wants out. He's young. He would love being a core part of an up & coming group of guys. He really just wants to play. He shoots lights out. He's got size. He defends. And he sits behind C Brewer & K Korver. But Utah knows he's good & won't let him get away for nothing. Probably cost us our 2008 2nd. Which I'd do. Or maybe even the Phoenix pick, which I'd consider.
Guys I wouldn't touch are:
- JR Smith & R Davis because they're ****,
- JJ Redick because he can't defend,
- B Gordon because he's too little to defend & likes to chuck too much and
- V Carter & J Crawford because they're total chuckers.
Guys I'd think about and then decide against are:
- C Maggette because he's going to get paid too much, he's never really won & his 3pt shot isn't that great,
- D Cook, J Crittenton & M Belinelli are SGs with lots of potential, but their contracts come due the same time as K Durant's & J Green's & that would make for salary cap disaster and
- T Seolosha & A Wright because they're not good enough shooters, even if every thing else about them is great.
And that leaves guys I might trade for C Wilcox next season... A Iguodala & L Deng. Ya, right. Like that could happen. But to me that's the question. Could we trade C Wilcox for a SG that's better than having C Wilcox as our PF with K Durant at SG? IDK.
Anyway, there you have it. Probably way more painful than you expected. Sorry about that.
I think there's a number of criteria that have to be considered before one can settle on the right SG for the Sonics. And depending on your opinion on the various criteria, reasonable people can come to different conclusions on who the right SG should be.
Skills - Three point range, defends, good BBIQ, finishes, athletic, can handle at least adequately, 6'5" or bigger.
Character - No douche bags or locker room lawyers.
Intangibles - Needs to be a guy who wants to be part of the Sonics, so count most "I want a chance at a championship" mature veterans out. The Sonics won't be ready to seriously contend for three years, which is way too long for those types.
Contract - One of the reasons the Spurs are successful is that their best guys are paid the most and their worst guys are paid the least. Visa versa for the Knicks. And B Wallace with the Bulls. Duh. K Durant is going to be our best guy. His salary theorectically should grow with the team's success. Everyone else needs to make correspondingly less, or the chemistry thing becomes an issue.
Availability - You shouldn't want what you can't have. It's no use wishing for L James. Plus you figure out when you want to add a guy to the team factoring in expiration of contracts (you don't want five guys to come up the same year) and team need/development.
So looking at team need you can't help but notice we've already got some SGs... K Durant, D Wilkins, W Szczerbiak, M Gelabale & D West (kind of). Do we need any more? When?
IMO the Sonics are set at SG until at least this time next season. That's K Durant starting with W Szczerbiak getting the bulk of the backup minutes. The remaining bits fall to either D Wilkins or D West. And, IMO, M Gelabale's NBA experience is about over so who cares about him anyway?
So there's my answer. I don't think the Sonics need another SG right now. In fact I think we need to get rid of one. Either W Szczerbiak or D Wilkins. I don't think anything will come of the W Szczerbiak to the Cavaliers for I Newble, E Snow & a 1st. I think the Cavs would find a way to get the younger, better, less expensive M Miller before they'd take W Szczerbiak. But stranger things have happened. If I'm Sam Presti I'd do the trade in a minute. However, short of getting a 1st for Szczerbiak I wouldn't trade him now. I'd wait until this time next season when his value will increase due to his expiring contract. Which means D Wilkins is odd man out. Which may drive him to opt out, if he's not used as trade filler. I hope not. He's a good guy. Meets all the SG skill criteria. Not paid too much. But there will be playing time issues for a year if he stays. Too bad. I like D Wilkins as the 8th guy in the rotation.
Having said that I would also try to get another SG. Via next June's draft. A guy that'll sit on the bench for a while and learn the regular slow rookie way. Top targets are Kansas' B Rush, Kansas State's Bill Walker, Oregon's B Taylor & Memphis' C Douglas-Roberts. I specifically don't have WSU's K Weaver listed because he can't shoot. Not that he just can't shoot the three, he's a crappy shooter period. They're called Shooting Guards for a reason. Those dudes have to be able to shoot. K Weaver can't.
But if I had to make a trade, the one guy in the NBA that would be great for the Sonics is Utah's CJ Miles. He's pissed at Utah management over the way they handled his contract last summer, so he wants out. He's young. He would love being a core part of an up & coming group of guys. He really just wants to play. He shoots lights out. He's got size. He defends. And he sits behind C Brewer & K Korver. But Utah knows he's good & won't let him get away for nothing. Probably cost us our 2008 2nd. Which I'd do. Or maybe even the Phoenix pick, which I'd consider.
Guys I wouldn't touch are:
- JR Smith & R Davis because they're ****,
- JJ Redick because he can't defend,
- B Gordon because he's too little to defend & likes to chuck too much and
- V Carter & J Crawford because they're total chuckers.
Guys I'd think about and then decide against are:
- C Maggette because he's going to get paid too much, he's never really won & his 3pt shot isn't that great,
- D Cook, J Crittenton & M Belinelli are SGs with lots of potential, but their contracts come due the same time as K Durant's & J Green's & that would make for salary cap disaster and
- T Seolosha & A Wright because they're not good enough shooters, even if every thing else about them is great.
And that leaves guys I might trade for C Wilcox next season... A Iguodala & L Deng. Ya, right. Like that could happen. But to me that's the question. Could we trade C Wilcox for a SG that's better than having C Wilcox as our PF with K Durant at SG? IDK.
Anyway, there you have it. Probably way more painful than you expected. Sorry about that.
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Great post dj!! 
I feel the draft is the best way to answer our need. we have so many picks that we can get a good shooting guard.
Here's my favorite Courtney Lee. Good player with little faults in his game in a lesser known school ala Kevin Martin. Not saying he'll be that good but he fits our plans well.
dx did a write up on him here:- http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/
Should be available for the phoenix pick or even our second rounder.
I feel the draft is the best way to answer our need. we have so many picks that we can get a good shooting guard.
Here's my favorite Courtney Lee. Good player with little faults in his game in a lesser known school ala Kevin Martin. Not saying he'll be that good but he fits our plans well.
dx did a write up on him here:- http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Courtney-Lee-471/
Should be available for the phoenix pick or even our second rounder.
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Great list DJ.
Though, i wouldn't trade more then one of those other 2nd round picks(not our own) for CJ Miles, simply because he's going to be a free agent(maybe even an UFA
) this summer and could walk away if he wanted to.
BTW: A guy you haven't mentioned that i really like is Detroit's Arron Afflalo. He's a solid defender and able to hit a jump shot. The Pistons already got Hamilton and Stuckey at his position and we might have a chance to get him from them, if they want to add another big body like Kurt Thomas.
So maybe something like this could be a possibility.
Thomas, Gelabale
for
Herrman, Prezec, Flip(cut imediatly) and Afflalo.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4492418
Though, i wouldn't trade more then one of those other 2nd round picks(not our own) for CJ Miles, simply because he's going to be a free agent(maybe even an UFA
) this summer and could walk away if he wanted to.
BTW: A guy you haven't mentioned that i really like is Detroit's Arron Afflalo. He's a solid defender and able to hit a jump shot. The Pistons already got Hamilton and Stuckey at his position and we might have a chance to get him from them, if they want to add another big body like Kurt Thomas.
So maybe something like this could be a possibility.
Thomas, Gelabale
for
Herrman, Prezec, Flip(cut imediatly) and Afflalo.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4492418
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Det the Threat wrote:i wouldn't trade more then one of those other 2nd round picks (not our own) for CJ Miles, simply because he's going to be a free agent (maybe even an UFA
According to ESPN CJ Miles is a restricted free agent...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... FreeAgents
Would that change your mind if it was true?
Det the Threat wrote:A guy you haven't mentioned that i really like is Detroit's Arron Afflalo. He's a solid defender and able to hit a jump shot. The Pistons already got Hamilton and Stuckey at his position and we might have a chance to get him from them, if they want to add another big body like Kurt Thomas.
Ya, I think A Afflalo is great too. But so does Detroit. They like the idea of a gradual transition from R Hamilton & C Billups to R Stuckey & A Afflalo. So do I. That's why I didn't list either of those two Piston rookies... they just aren't available IMO. Or at a reasonable price would be a better way of saying it. Also, their rookie contracts would come due the same year as K Durant & J Green. That wants to be managed for the long run. But that's just my opinion. Who knows.
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Wasn't shooting guard supposedly the easiest position to fill in the NBA? I seem to remember folks saying they were a dime a dozen type of player.
Did I miss the memo on this one? Since when are good 2s an easy thing to find in the NBA? Just because there are a lot of guards that can score does not mean it's easy to find a good SG. Think about it, scoring is only one facet of a SG's game. It's really easy to find a bigman who can rebound or a center who can block. It's a lot harder to find a well-rounded player who can contribute in every way they need to in order to make a team successful. It's also really hard to find consistency. Let's face it, there's only a few really successful and well rounded SGs. If you mean it's easy to find someone who can score that may be true. But what you're really saying is that it's easy to find a role-player (not much of an observation).
Yeah its like the wide receiever in the NFL.
HUH?!?!??!?
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Frozenropers wrote:If you are in search of a SG, a good team to look at would be the Utah Jazz. Yes they are a division rival, however they are a bit loaded with young SG's....
Ronnie Brewer
CJ Miles (looks to be developing a bit this season)
Morris Almond (on fire in the D-league)
After the acquisition of Kyle Korver one would think we could pick up one of the others for a draft pick.
I was hoping the Sonics would somehow have drafted Morris Almond or Dequan Cook this past draft, but drafting and trading "Big Baby" to the Celtics along with Ray Allen took care of that possibility.
I'd take Kyle Weaver with the Sonics second rounder. Not sure how his stock is going to be after the Big Dance, and that's if WSU even makes it there.
Personally I'd love a guy like Raja Bell. He can defend and he shoots the three ball with a great FG% even though he takes a lot of them.
Depending on how the draft shakes out, if the Sonics land in the top two, I'm not sure if the Sonics really need more than that out of their SG position.
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wiff wrote:I was hoping the Sonics would somehow have drafted Morris Almond or Dequan Cook this past draft, but drafting and trading "Big Baby" to the Celtics along with Ray Allen took care of that possibility.
There was also the highest 2nd round pick (#31) that for some reason Presti decided to trade to Houston for a future 2nd round pick and cash. So at least we have the cash this season while we look forward to that future 2nd round pick that will be #50 or so.
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If there was ANY way to pry R. Brewer away from the Jazz I would do it...
how bout this deal? I know its a bit crazy, but hear me out
Sonics Send:
Wally Z
K. Thomas
Damien Wilkins/2nd round pick/pho first
Utah Sends:
Matt Harpring
Mehmet Okur
Ronnie Brewer
Now before everyone freaks out about what this does to our cap situation, think about this. After this deal:
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Harpring
Okur
would all expire the season after next. this would be a year BEFORE the end of Durant and Greens rookie contracts, and would also give us room to resign Brewer. We aren't going to contend any time between now and Durants first big contract, so when we get our big time cap room really doesn't matter.
I think Brewer would be the perfect player for this team. defensive minded, doesn't need many shots... just the guy I want beside Durant. This also frees us up to use our draft picks to find a stud PF/C and most importantly, PG. It lessens the importance of dumping Watsnour for expiring deals, saving us the assets that would be required to do that.
how bout this deal? I know its a bit crazy, but hear me out
Sonics Send:
Wally Z
K. Thomas
Damien Wilkins/2nd round pick/pho first
Utah Sends:
Matt Harpring
Mehmet Okur
Ronnie Brewer
Now before everyone freaks out about what this does to our cap situation, think about this. After this deal:
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Harpring
Okur
would all expire the season after next. this would be a year BEFORE the end of Durant and Greens rookie contracts, and would also give us room to resign Brewer. We aren't going to contend any time between now and Durants first big contract, so when we get our big time cap room really doesn't matter.
I think Brewer would be the perfect player for this team. defensive minded, doesn't need many shots... just the guy I want beside Durant. This also frees us up to use our draft picks to find a stud PF/C and most importantly, PG. It lessens the importance of dumping Watsnour for expiring deals, saving us the assets that would be required to do that.
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