Mavs @ Nets

[Da big3]

whers stackhouse?

[DDansby123]

Yeah, if only we had all those athetic players like Richardson, Carter, and Williams on our team. Too bad we don't, thus it makes no difference.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worthwhile to respond to you. You're so entrenched in your position that Kidd wouldn't help this team that you can't even see what's right in front of everyone else's eyes: Kidd's passing would really help this team. Don't hide behind the "we give up too much" argument, because you can't even admit Kidd would help us. Ridiculous.

Your argument above pretty much epitomizes why I hate arguing with you: to support your position, you come up with ridiculous arguments that aren't AT ALL based in fact!!! As I've said to you multiple times, if you just don't like Kidd, or think we're giving up too much, fine. Admit that and move on. But don't bring these absolutely pathetic arguments in here...

Now, your argument re: athleticism. Did I miss the game? Because I saw Kidd make, for example, a cross-court bounce pass that created a wide open look for Vince Carter (which he knocked down) out of thin air. And I saw him attract two defenders and give Krstic a wide open look. I saw him fake a shot to draw a defender and give a teammate on the block a one-on-one opportunity (if he doesn't shot-fake, the defender sags down and doubles the guy on the block). That last example is just one more of the "little things" Kidd does that you can't find in the stats (and apparently some people can't even see it by watching the games). You don't need athleticism to knock down an open shot.

And as for athletes, are you telling me Kidd wouldn't help guys like Bass and Howard, both of whom are above-average in terms of athleticism? What about throwing an alley-oop to Dampier on the backside of the defense?

The problem is, we've seen subpar PG for so long that we don't even recognize GREAT PG play when we see it...or we don't want to acknowledge it.

BTW, Kidd is playing his A game (3 for 13 shooting) for Cuban and we are without Harris. Mavs with Terry vs Mavs with Harris is a huge difference! Don't know if there is anything creditable coming from this game in terms of the Kidd situations.

The absolutely hilarious thing is that Kidd can go 3-13 from the floor and STILL have an incredible impact offensively. Harris can't do that. Nobody we have can do that.

Re: Harris defense, let me ask you this: how many of the championship-caliber/elite teams in the west have PGs who are better defensively than Jason Terry? Is Parker better? What about Nash or Chris Paul? Deron Williams? So is it really a stretch to think Kidd can do exactly what he did tonight against those guys? Probably not.


I think some people are overreacting in saying that we should absolutely trade for Kidd immediately...without mentioning what the costs would be. But I'll tell you exactly what's happened here. A lot of people on this board fell for the rhetoric being thrown around: Kidd's 35 and feeble, his stats aren't as good as Devin's, etc., etc. Then, they actually WATCHED THE GUY PLAY again and were reminded of just how good he is. Let me ask you all, did Kidd look like a washed-up 35-year-old out there tonight? No, and he doesn't most other nights, either. Why? Because he's not! Let me ask you, did he do a lot of things that no Mavs PG has even dreamed of since Nash left? Absolutely. And how many of those things showed up in the box score? Only some of them (with the assist numbers).

We should atleast ALL be ready to admit that Kidd running the point here would help this team. Whether or not it makes sense tradewise depends on who we'd have to give up.

[JES12]

It was Carter that had the bigger impact and if there is to be a Dallas/NJ trade, it should be Carter in a Mavs uniform.

Plain and simple. We need a SG, not a PG. Harris is just fine.

But you are right about Terry, Parker,and Nash, but Chris Paul and Deron Williams are both better defenders than Kidd. I think you have your Kidd love goggles on. I just wish Harris was out there to defend Kidd and make Kidd look like he was playing in quicksand when we were on offense.

[DDansby123]

It was Carter that had the bigger impact and if there is to be a Dallas/NJ trade, it should be Carter in a Mavs uniform.

Carter had a big impact, but I don't know that it was bigger than Kidd's.

Plain and simple. We need a SG, not a PG. Harris is just fine.

Harris isn't a PG; he's a SG.

But you are right about Parker,and Nash, but Chris Paul and Deron Williams are both better defenders than Kidd. I think you have your Kidd love goggles on.

No, they're not, but I was talking about being better defenders than Terry. The point was that neither of them would defend Kidd well enough to make a huge difference.

As for love goggles, it's funny of you to bring that up. I had almost decided that bringing Kidd in wasn't a huge upgrade. I fell for the rhetoric and the arguments that some of you have constructed on these boards. Then, I actually watched the game tonight. And I watched Kidd very closely. My only fault with him was that he shot the ball too much. Other than that, he played incredibly well. And, yes, I would love for him to be the Mavs' PG, particularly after what I saw tonight.


Of course, we can all write off tonight's performance, right? Because Harris, the all-world defensive stopper who's done so well defending elite PGs wasn't there, right? And because Kidd was obviously playing his very best basketball because of Cuban, right? Even when the guy plays a very good game, you can't give him ANY credit. Even when he displays the skills that this team DESPARATELY needs, you give him ZERO credit.

The funny thing is, you're pretty much the only one who DIDN'T see what kind of impact Kidd had on the game tonight and could have on the Mavs. And you question MY objectivity? Pure hilarity!

[deuceSUNS]

It was Carter that had the bigger impact and if there is to be a Dallas/NJ trade, it should be Carter in a Mavs uniform.

Plain and simple. We need a SG, not a PG. Harris is just fine.

But you are right about Terry, Parker,and Nash, but Chris Paul and Deron Williams are both better defenders than Kidd. I think you have your Kidd love goggles on. I just wish Harris was out there to defend Kidd and make Kidd look like he was playing in quicksand when we were on offense.

Ddansby, you are on point. JES12, you are out on cloud nine! You ARE in need of a Real PG. PLUS a power player. Cuban loves his players which is his biggest weakiness.

From what I see Dallas needs a STAR! A "go to guy". If the Mavs cant get an intimidating Power player then they need a Star player. Dirk is great but everyone knows that if its a key game 7, dirk isnt going to take over the game on the boards and score 40 or 50. I mean you will never see 40 points and 20 boards in a game for Dirk. He is a number 2 guy. Look I am not trying to start trouble but its what most teams, commentators, coaches, and players see and know. You guys need to trade for that STAR. Which one and where I don't know.

[ppp000]

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Ddansby, you are on point. JES12, you are out on cloud nine! You ARE in need of a Real PG. PLUS a power player. Cuban loves his players which is his biggest weakiness.

From what I see Dallas needs a STAR! A "go to guy". If the Mavs cant get an intimidating Power player then they need a Star player. Dirk is great but everyone knows that if its a key game 7, dirk isnt going to take over the game on the boards and score 40 or 50. I mean you will never see 40 points and 20 boards in a game for Dirk. He is a number 2 guy. Look I am not trying to start trouble but its what most teams, commentators, coaches, and players see and know. You guys need to trade for that STAR. Which one and where I don't know.

I remember Dirk taking over in game 7 against the Spurs at San Antonio. I remember Dirk scoring 50 on the Suns in game 5. Dirk has his failures but his lack of clutchness and softness is way overrated by the media and other fans like you that watch the Mavs maybe 5 times a year.

By your reasoning, all the other 29 teams needs a STAR too since they all failed to win a ring, much less advance to the finals like the Mavs did in 06.

[ppp000]

The postgame commenters were saying how we have no transition offense at all anymore.

Thanks Avery and your slow, methodical ISO offense that comprises of hard baskets and dribbling down the shot clock for a contest jumper.

[Rand10]

Bad outing but I'm not abandoning this current group after one meaningless game. We still have the same strengths and weaknesses as always.

We should be healthy after the all-star break, and then we'll have 29 games to build for the playoffs. This team showed last year what they are capable of doing. We are improved this season and when we put the pedal down at the right time we have just as good a shot as any team in the nba to win the title.

We do not need to be rescued by Kidd.

[Rand10]

Bass over his last 6 games

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PTS      RBS      FG%     
12.2     5.3     67.5

Jones over his last 12 games

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PTS    AST    FG%     3PT%
2.9    0.9    34.9    13.8

[RolloTommasi]

I just wish Harris was out there to defend Kidd and make Kidd look like he was playing in quicksand when we were on offense.

[RolloTommasi]

This team showed last year what they are capable of doing.
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lol

nice one

[JES12]

Bass over his last 6 games

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PTS      RBS      FG%     
12.2     5.3     67.5

Jones over his last 12 games

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PTS    AST    FG%     3PT%
2.9    0.9    34.9    13.8

Does this mean you are open to Avery experimenting with Bass at the 3 and Howard at the 2?

[ppp000]

TROLLS: please go away unless you have some basketball insight to impart.

Otherwise, I'm sorry you have nothing better to do than troll another team's forum in a loss. Too busy when we win?

[Darren]

Another holiday mood sickness, the major reason we lose to Miami 2 years ago,for the Mavs. AJ goes small again. Why? Loser mentality. Awful game.

[Rand10]

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lol

nice one

Careful, don't get too original.

Does this mean you are open to Avery experimenting with Bass at the 3 and Howard at the 2?

Well....I guess it couldn't hurt to try could it? If it means less EJ sign me up. He's turning into Ager.

[MavsFan40]

Harris isn't a PG; he's a SG.

[Teffer10]

Another holiday mood sickness, the major reason we lose to Miami 2 years ago,for the Mavs. AJ goes small again. Why? Loser mentality. Awful game.

When Avery goes small, the rest of the team takes that as an opportunity to get lazy and jack up long jumpers.

When Laura Green said that Avery reminded the guys in one of the timeouts of the 4th quarter that the Nets were over the limit in fouls and they should take advantage of it, I couldn't help but drop my head when Howard took an awkward looking 20ft jumper on the first play. Even though it went in, it shows what this team is lacking (no confidence in the inside game whatsoever).

Someone might want to tell Avery that the Suns and Lakers just acquired big offensive centers so he might want to get Diop a little more involved incase we meet one of the them or SA or Utah or Houston in the POs.

This team is going nowhere in the POs as is.

[Teffer10]

Have you noticed that this season we seem to lose to teams we have dominated in the past?

Atlanta, New Jersey, Portland, New Orleans, etc.

I mean I know these teams have improved but come on.

I think that is because those teams have gotten better and more mature while our FO continues to ignore all of the issues that continue to impede progress.

[arkuo]

avery says "he likes our team".... but liking a team doesnt necessarily translate to winning... the mavs are just staying put with our competition who are relatively moving forward with these recent trades... heck even the spurs got damon stoudamire to back up parker...

i kinda understand where avery comes from when he says he likes the team... but like it or not, this team needs something.. not changes, but additions... i personally dont see the mavs going deep into the playoffs with their current lineup... but since i dont see anything brewing nearing the trade deadline, well, maybe next year...

[Teffer10]

I hope all of you are watching how easy Jason Kidd is making it for his teammates offensively. Virtually every trip down the floor he's creating an easy shot or an open look for pretty much everyone. It's fun to watch, and I wish he were doing that in a Mavs jersey.

DDansby, I know where you are going with this but one thing I think the Mavs could be lacking if they land Kidd is a good atheletic finisher. If the Mavs do make a trade for Kidd, I would love to see them pickup someone who loves to run the floor and plays above the rim. Those guys are a dime a dozen so it shouldn't be too difficult to get one.