Marion already on the move?

[Immure]

We need shooters. If we don't get Miller via trade then I would definitely go for James Jones as a FA this summer (cheaper option).

and better, i dont knwo why we're so impressed with that guy

[Flash4thewin]

I wouldnt mind trading Marion because keeping him on a rebuilding team is kinda pointless. Right now he will bring some more wins which take away our chances for a top pick. He will be looking at max money for a sf that plays pf undersized and cant create his own shot. Last hes freaking 6'6 without shoes and would be expected to shut down 6'10+ PF who have post moves? Marion would have been great to have along with Shaq not without Shaq. T

[CoolD]

I wouldnt mind trading Marion because keeping him on a rebuilding team is kinda pointless. Right now he will bring some more wins which take away our chances for a top pick. He will be looking at max money for a sf that plays pf undersized and cant create his own shot. Last hes freaking 6'6 without shoes and would be expected to shut down 6'10+ PF who have post moves? Marion would have been great to have along with Shaq not without Shaq. T

Laughable. Marion could get you 10 rebounds a game, Blount is 7 feet, the guy, if you average his rebounding rate per 40 minutes, he gets you 6 rebounds. Rodman was undersized, Barkley to add, great rebounders, is not the size of the dog, is the size of the fight in the dog. Acting like Marion can't get his own shot, how come his best statistics years were without Steve Nash.

Dude you are clueless.

Once Riley clean's house again, a Wade, rookie, Marion, Haslem, you will start to see why Riley has been able to built teams at such a fast rate, when no one thought it was possible.

[Flash4thewin]

CoolD you really think a team Undersized at SF/SG/PF is the foundation for a championship team? Was Rodman ever paid a max salary or demand one? Marion best assest is his athletic ability which is reduced playing a half court game. Championships are won playing in the paint not with run and gun style.

[CoolD]

CoolD you really think a team Undersized at SF/SG/PF is the foundation for a championship team? Was Rodman ever paid a max salary or demand one? Marion best assest is his athletic ability which is reduced playing a half court game. Championships are won playing in the paint not with run and gun style.

He could compliment Wade, like Pippen complemented Jordan. We still going to need a big guy besides Blount or Baron. Worst big men in the league. But if we find a Center that could play D, rebound, and not be to much of a scrub in a system, kind of like a Oberto of San Antonio role player. Also find the right rookie, Rose maybe the guy could really push the tempo with athletes such as Wade and Marion could be scary. We also need to find some shooters, will be back pretty soon as a formidable team.

But if we would not have made this trade, we would be handicapping our future for a bit. This move gets the ball rolling towards something positive right know, rather than just wait till Shaq had retired, and start rebuilding 2 and half years from know.

[andymoteach]

If the Heat was not sold on Marion for the long term and wanted to make sure that they would have a top 4 pick then they might want to trade him this year. If they could get back an expiring contract (the one that seems to fit most would be if the Mavs re-signed Keith Van Horn and then traded him to the Heat) then they would have an opportunity to be one of only two teams able to offer big contracts to free agents this summer. Of course there would be some sweeteners int aht deal too.

I would zone in on Josh Smith. He is resticted but with the chaos of Atlanta's ownership I do not think they would match a close to max offer. The Heat then would have enough to sign another player above the Mid Level Exception, maybe someone like Maggette.

If you put Wade with Beasley and Smith you have a young core and a quick rebuild. If you could get a couple of first rounders from Dallas and maybe a player with potential like Bass they might consider it.

[BBallFreak]

We're getting a great pick. I think even Riley knows that. I don't see us dealing Marion. He's ours. We want him here...

[KobeFarmarEra]

He could compliment Wade, like Pippen complemented Jordan.

Marion is not Pippen. Nor is Wade even close to Jordan though.

This reminds me when the Lakers FO were comparing Lamar Odom to Pippen. What a riot that was.

[BBallFreak]

Relax KFE, we know that Riley was blowing smoke...

[CoolD]

Relax KFE, we know that Riley was blowing smoke...

I don't know, watching Marion yesterday. And just looking at his career stats to back it up, I think the guy is so underrated by his detractors. I think the Marion to Pippen comparison was not all the bad by Riley. Wade is having an off year so making a Jordan comparison right know always going to bring out the haters out the woodworks, especially Laker Kobe fanatics. If we get the right point guard in the draft, I see Wade coming into next year, with a full summer of work, reach a very elite level next season. Just see how much the perception around Garnett has changed, over half a season, when you win and play with talent, perception changes.

As long as Riles starts putting talent back in the Heat, perception will change, and pendulum will swing back the other way.

[HeatSince88]

I love Marion's game and I'm excited about getting him. But he is no Scottie Pippen.

The main difference is that Pippen had PG-like skills for a small forward, to the extent that when Jordan went out of the game, Pippen could run the offense at an all-star level, create for teammates, set guys up for shots, etc. Marion cannot.

Secondly I think Pippen's jumper was more pure, especially from deep. But in fairness to Riley, he did give the qualifier of Marion being comparable to Pippen "in the beginning" or something like that. In other words, in Pippen's first couple of years when didn't have all that great a jumper.

Thirdly, Wade is no Jordan. Even when he was at his best in the 2006 playoffs, he was still no Jordan. And since then, his game has fallen off in virtually every conceivable way, in part due to injury and in part due to (IMO) the sense that he's already "arrived" and doesn't need to improve as much as 2003-2006 ... unless it's his acting career or photo shoots or whatever. But I digress.

Wade is no Jordan. Marion is no Pippen. Why don't we stick with "Mark Blount is the new Bill Wennington ..."

[CoolD]

Perception will change.

Like I said, just look how Garnett with in a span of half a year, know became the greatest thing since slide bread playing along talent.

Yes Marion is no Pippen, he might not have this so called pointguard skills, but the guy can rebound better than Pippen. And really has been underrated alot an Pippen seem to lose alot of his luster of the 50 greatest player when he no longer played along Jordan. The guy was still good, but the media seem to forget that

I think legacy's sometimes become a bit overrated .

Anyways, Wade is still young, am not going to write off his legacy right know, but once the Heat get back in track, perception always starts to change.

[Lane1974]

I think Riley meant that this team can be led by a 2 & a 3 not necessarily these two have the same skill set as MJ & Pip

[HeatSince88]

Perception will change.

Like I said, just look how Garnett with in a span of half a year, know became the greatest thing since slide bread playing along talent.

Yes Marion is no Pippen, he might not have this so called pointguard skills, but the guy can rebound better than Pippen. And really has been underrated alot an Pippen seem to lose alot of his luster of the 50 greatest player when he no longer played along Jordan. The guy was still good, but the media seem to forget that

I think legacy's sometimes become a bit overrated .

Anyways, Wade is still young, am not going to write off his legacy right know, but once the Heat get back in track, perception always starts to change.

I'm not even looking at legacies -- no one is comparing them in that respect.

I'm looking at one player's skillset versus another player's skillset, having seen them play 100s of times in their careers. And as you're pointing out, Pippen and Marion have different skillsets.

BTW, everyone knew Kevin Garnett was great before he went to Boston. You think everyone just figured that out a couple months ago?

[CoolD]

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I'm not even looking at legacies -- no one is comparing them in that respect.

I'm looking at one player's skillset versus another player's skillset, having seen them play 100s of times in their careers. And as you're pointing out, Pippen and Marion have different skillsets.

BTW, everyone knew Kevin Garnett was great before he went to Boston. You think everyone just figured that out a couple months ago?

I think Garnett wasn't even talked about for the last years, about ever being MVP. Boston still keeps winning without him, and the reason supposedly is, because Garnett's so called leadership and how much he has influenced the team, that they still play good without him, what happened to Garnett's leadership all those years his team sucked in Minnesota.

Yes I think people always known Garnett was skilled, but know, they act like guy has accomplished more than Tim Duncan. I just find it funny how perception swings at the whim of the moment.

[heat4life]

How can he be talked about as the MVP of the league when he was not making his team better all by himself? Garnett WAS Minny. Without him they would've been as good as they are now. In his lone MVP season he had good players around him for everyone else to take notice of his greatness.

Same goe for Wade. Right now EVERYONE questions him because he is not on a team with good players around him but two years ago he could've been the MVP. LeBron James? He'll never win the MVP as long as he has the cast of players around him that he does.

[Heat3]

Please don't compare Wade and Marion to Jordan and Pippen. We don't want to upset Laker fans on the Heat board.....

We know Kobe = Jordan + Pippen!

[HeatSince88]

I think Garnett wasn't even talked about for the last years, about ever being MVP.

That's funny, because he actually was MVP a couple seasons ago. And finished in the Top 3 of voting a couple other times.

Boston still keeps winning without him, and the reason supposedly is, because Garnett's so called leadership and how much he has influenced the team, that they still play good without him, what happened to Garnett's leadership all those years his team sucked in Minnesota.

True, that story line is getting old. Announcers slurp KG as much as they do Brett Favre, which is saying alot.

Yes I think people always known Garnett was skilled, but know, they act like guy has accomplished more than Tim Duncan. I just find it funny how perception swings at the whim of the moment.

Man, I don't know who said or implied he's accomplished more than Duncan. Maybe you watched a game I didn't see...

Bottom line is, KG has been known as a franchise player for some time now (see the $120 million contract signed in 2000) ... he's WON the MVP just as many times as Shaq and finished Top 3 in voting other times. He didn't just suddenly become regarded as a star player. He's been regarded that way for almost a decade now -- people are talking about him more because now there's actually something to talk about.

[b-ball forever]

So much for Marion becoming useless playin without an elite PG, I thought he looked just as awesome as usual for u guys last night, sucks that u cudn't beat LA.

Was weird watchin Riley make the Heat run out there.
Without Fattoine Shaq or ZO, and with Marion on the team u guys become a very crazy athletic and fun team to watch.

I really hope u guys keep Marion n draft Rose or Beasley, that'd make u instant challengers for Boston n Detroit

[heat4life]

^^^^

I am looking at your sig.. owned!! lol