Al Jefferson or Bynum

[kandiking]

Has Bynum been the leader on an international squad like Ginobili and Parker?

that's not fair. he was commendable with the pressure of being captain of his high school squad

[dockingsched]

has jefferson ever played a role on a team that wasn't horrible?

[Feed Your Head]

has jefferson ever played a role on a team that wasn't horrible?

His rookie year he was the 6th/7th man for a division winning team and even put up a double double in one of the games going up against Jermaine O'Neal. Cant think of many rookies straight out of HS who put up a double double in their 1st playoff series.

[LakersSquad]

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His rookie year he was the 6th/7th man for a division winning team and even put up a double double in one of the games going up against Jermaine O'Neal. Cant think of many rookies straight out of HS who put up a double double in their 1st playoff series.

lol you can win a division in the east with 31 wins. Far from impressive.

[Rust In Peace]

Jefferson easily. Bynum's WAY overrated.

[Rocky5000]

Jefferson is second in the league in offensive rebounds per game, offensive rebounding is much much more important than defensive rebounding. He's better than Dwight Howard at offensive rebounding, and he's far ahead of Mr. Bynum. On the scoring side, Jefferson is inarguably the best of the set of Jefferson, Howard, and Bynum. Defensively, It goes the opposite way with Howard, Bynum, and Jefferson. I think that Jefferson still has the edge over Bynum, his offensive rebounding and scoring skills offset any defensive advantage of Bynum's.

What about Bynum vs. Marcus Camby? Or Camby vs Al Jefferson. For those who are saying that Bynum is better, would you take Camby over Big Al?

[dockingsched]

i could have forgotten some earlier posts but people said bynum was better?

[netsforever]

Anyone who picks Bynum here should be shot. Jefferson is putting up amazing numbers in Minnesota.

[kookie_819]

Jefferson is second in the league in offensive rebounds per game, offensive rebounding is much much more important than defensive rebounding. He's better than Dwight Howard at offensive rebounding, and he's far ahead of Mr. Bynum. On the scoring side, Jefferson is inarguably the best of the set of Jefferson, Howard, and Bynum. Defensively, It goes the opposite way with Howard, Bynum, and Jefferson. I think that Jefferson still has the edge over Bynum, his offensive rebounding and scoring skills offset any defensive advantage of Bynum's.

What about Bynum vs. Marcus Camby? Or Camby vs Al Jefferson. For those who are saying that Bynum is better, would you take Camby over Big Al?

True, but those offensive rebounding numbers are more likely a result of the T'Wolves just missing more than the Lakers or the Magic. Also, yes, Al Jefferson is a great scorer, but better than Dwight? I don't think so. Dwight is arguably the best, most efficient scoring big man this league has seen in a long, LONG time. Possibly since the days of prime Shaq.

You are right about the defense, though. Both Dwight and Bynum are unarguably superior than Jefferson in that area. But I think Jefferson's offensive advantage outweighs Bynum's advantage in defense.

[theGreatRC]

Dwight can't create offense like Jefferson does.

Dwight leads the league in dunks; that is the #1 reason why he is so efficient. Plus his guards know how to throw him the oop because he jumps so high, Al has to catch the ball on the left/right blocks and create for himself; plus if you saw the Celtic/Wolves game last night, he was double and triple teamed all night. I know Dwight faces that, but it's much easier for Dwight to score with his athleticism and brute strength.

[kookie_819]

Dwight can't create offense like Jefferson does.

Dwight leads the league in dunks; that is the #1 reason why he is so efficient. Plus his guards know how to throw him the oop because he jumps so high, Al has to catch the ball on the left/right blocks and create for himself; plus if you saw the Celtic/Wolves game last night, he was double and triple teamed all night. I know Dwight faces that, but it's much easier for Dwight to score with his athleticism and brute strength.

I'm not sure you've seen him much this season. He doesn't create his own offense, but his timing in the post and the position he gets into has so improved from last season.

And yes, he does lead the league in dunks, but why shoot 12 footers like Al Jefferson when you can just dunk on everyone? Plus, dunking is not all he does; Dwight actually has developed a very nice hook shot and a short jumper, as Pat Ewing has really taught him a lot on offense.

The biggest factor that gets me to consider Dwight better than Al Jefferson in offensive efficiency is in the ability to draw fouls, in which Dwight just destroys Al in.

[I-AM-A-BEAST]

Jefferson is second in the league in offensive rebounds per game, offensive rebounding is much much more important than defensive rebounding. He's better than Dwight Howard at offensive rebounding, and he's far ahead of Mr. Bynum. On the scoring side, Jefferson is inarguably the best of the set of Jefferson, Howard, and Bynum. Defensively, It goes the opposite way with Howard, Bynum, and Jefferson. I think that Jefferson still has the edge over Bynum, his offensive rebounding and scoring skills offset any defensive advantage of Bynum's.

What about Bynum vs. Marcus Camby? Or Camby vs Al Jefferson. For those who are saying that Bynum is better, would you take Camby over Big Al?

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with your first statement. Defensive rebounding is infinitely more important than Offensive rebounding. Not only do statistical studies prove that Offensive rebounding has almost no correlation to winning (while defensive rebounding has a lot) but even a quick glance at the best offensive and defensive rebounding teams in the league bears this truth.

Here are the following 10 best teams in Offensive rebounding (calculated using Offensive Rebound Rate; a percentage of available offensive rebounds a team grabs):

1. Philadelphia
2. Chicago
3. Cleveland
4. New York
5. Atlanta
6. Utah
7. Houston
8. Washington
9. Milwaukee
10. Minnesota

Here are the following 10 best teams in defensive rebounding (calculated using defensive rebound rate; a percentage of available defensive rebounds a team grabs):

1. San Antonio
2. New Orleans
3. Cleveland
4. Indiana
5. Orlando
6. Houston
7. New Jersey
8. Dallas
9. Boston
10. Toronto

5 of the 10 best Off RBd teams aren't in the playoffs and 7 of the 10 have records below .500. 8 of the top 10 in Def RBD are in the playoffs and consist of teams with the best record in the league.

Let's not forget that Cleveland and Houston are on both lists and that Washington and Atlanta are below .500. That means Utah is the only team in the NBA which in the playoffs with a record above .500 while being top 10 in Off Rbd and not top 10 in Def Rbd.

Conclusion: I'll take Dwight's superior Defensive rebounding over Al's superior Offensive rebounding any day. Dwight's advantage is also much larger than Al's advantage as well.

[UGA Hayes]

[quote="I-AM-A-BEAST"][/quote]

Its the other way around, studies show that o-boards are more important.

[farzi]

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Its the other way around, studies show that o-boards are more important.

Then why are the team leaders in it terrible?

[rockybalboa11]

al jeff all day

[T-Spot]

Watching Big Al dominate the hell out of Amare never gets old.

Give me the Big Al combo.

[dockingsched]

everyone dominates the hell out of amare, thats one thing both can enjoy

[andyhop]

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Then why are the team leaders in it terrible?

One of the reasons that the top offensive rebounding teams are so terrible is that they shoot badly with all of the top 10 except the Jazz ranking below average in eFG%,maybe they just crash the offensive glass more to try and score anyway they can.

[FNQ]

So many fantasy players here...

-BYNUM- most definitely... he plays both ends pretty well, much better positional player.... the leap he's made with his footwork is outstanding

I hate him with all of me but Bynum is clearly better... but Al is saving my fantasy team

[FNQ]

Jefferson is a franchise player, Bynum is not.

These statements crack me up... often times the best player isn't the franchise player..

Denver is a key example... AI and Melo get a lot of ink (call either the franchise) but Camby is their best player.

Franchise player = great fantasy player

Al's a PF playing C and its painfully obvious, but whats more troubling is that there has been no learning curve in the two seasons... he played a lot of C for the Celts too. People keep saying that he will get better... seeing him 3 times already this season, there hasn't been a light switch.

Now if we move Al to PF, we have a case here... he's responsible for one man and only to help out at the rim, not be the last line of defense.. his defense can be masked a lot better right there.

So whoever said the Lakeshow would trade Bynum for Jeff... I'm sure it worked out for you on NBA Live but its not a good idea here.