What do the Kings Management Expect to get for Artest...

[KingInExile]

Hoopshype doesn't have Miki Moore and Kevin Martin's contract figures out there, but figure Moore next year gets about $5.5M and Martin gets about $8M, then add another $2M for the draft pick (assuming Kings keep it). Then add additional salary that it would take to bring back guys like Udrih and Justin Williams (if the Kings still want those guys).

Moore's contract was for the MLE, which means his salary next season will be around $5.6M. Martin's extension was worth $55M total, which means he will start next season at about $10.3M. You are right, though, about the salary impact (I have commented on this a couple of times in various threads). Assuming no other moves are made except for letting Artest's contract expire, the Kings will be very close to the tax level when you add in a draft pick, resignings and a couple of min FAs. But you have hit the nail on the head with one of the big challenges with moving Artest.

[SacKingZZZ]

Kevin's contract will have percentage increases I am sure so his deal really should most likely start out at around 8-9 million and work it's way up to about 12 near the end I would think. Still, the tax thing will be cutting it close. The Kings either a) pay it or b) go cheap, sell picks, not re-sign guys, if they do I will be pissed. I have faith they wouldn't do such a thing however.

I still think that if Artest isn't traded by the deadline he walks in the summer. There will be no sign and trades for not only the issues stated but because that package would most likely yield less than what a trade now would bring anyway. If we get past the deadline I'd say chances are beyond slim we get anything out of Ron.

[jcsunsfan]

If you were an opposing GM, what would you give up to rent Ron Artest for 4 months.

His $14-$15 million expectation over the summer probably means that wherever he is traded is not where he is going to stay.

Seems to me the market for Artest is very limited. If Sac can get ANYTHING of lasting value, you ought to take it.

If Denver is offering something, go for it.

[KingInExile]

Kevin's contract will have percentage increases I am sure so his deal really should most likely start out at around 8-9 million and work it's way up to about 12 near the end I would think. Still, the tax thing will be cutting it close. The Kings either a) pay it or b) go cheap, sell picks, not re-sign guys, if they do I will be pissed. I have faith they wouldn't do such a thing however.

There are slightly different rules when the contract is an extension of a rookie scale contract. Raises are limited to a percentage (10.5% max) of the salary for the final year of the original contract, $1.8M for Kevin. In order to get a package of $55M with the allowable raises, his contract will need to start around $10.3M next year (I've looked up the rules and have done the math myself).

[Ballings7]

Denver won't give up Kleiza, and Nene is Nene (a bunch of baggage (not meaning behavior of course) ), unfortunately.

Overall, I still don't see Ron as a solid fit in Nugget land.

[pillwenney]

If you were an opposing GM, what would you give up to rent Ron Artest for 4 months.

His $14-$15 million expectation over the summer probably means that wherever he is traded is not where he is going to stay.

Seems to me the market for Artest is very limited. If Sac can get ANYTHING of lasting value, you ought to take it.

If Denver is offering something, go for it.

Bulls**t. You can "think" you're worth a given number all you want--that doesn't make it true. Ron most definitely will re-sign wherever he is traded because he will be traded to a contender and they will be the only team that will offer him anything above the MLE. I seriously, seriously doubt that Ron passes up an $11millionish a year deal to take the MLE. To think otherwise is really ridiculous, honestly.

[Smills91]

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There are slightly different rules when the contract is an extension of a rookie scale contract. Raises are limited to a percentage (10.5% max) of the salary for the final year of the original contract, $1.8M for Kevin. In order to get a package of $55M with the allowable raises, his contract will need to start around $10.3M next year (I've looked up the rules and have done the math myself).

And that's what makes your post questionable, right there!!! I gotta question anyone who celebrates and is enthused over the idea of socialism.

[ICMTM]

^ geeks!

In all honesty do you think Artest is going to be traded? I think Mike Bibby's situation will dictate what happens with Ron Artest. Opting out is a way of him getting paid. He's never said he wanted out of Sacramento. He's said he wants out of his deal.

I just think the Kings are a piece or two away from being in the mix WITH Ron on the team.

[Smills91]

^ geeks!

In all honesty do you think Artest is going to be traded? I think Mike Bibby's situation will dictate what happens with Ron Artest. Opting out is a way of him getting paid. He's never said he wanted out of Sacramento. He's said he wants out of his deal.

I just think the Kings are a piece or two away from being in the mix WITH Ron on the team.

I couldn't agree with you more...I think one more draft pick, and one big trade(involving Bibby) and maybe an MLE signing(Udrih) and this team is right there at the top tier again with another year of improvement.

[TunaFish]

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I couldn't agree with you more...I think one more draft pick, and one big trade(involving Bibby) and maybe an MLE signing(Udrih) and this team is right there at the top tier again with another year of improvement.

You really believe that the Kings are going to meet Artest's contract demands of 13 to 14 million next season?

Artest will be gone; if this is not the impression left on the King's FO, then they would not be having any trade discussions with anyone about Artest.

[pillwenney]

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You really believe that the Kings are going to meet Artest's contract demands of 13 to 14 million next season?

Artest will be gone; if this is not the impression left on the King's FO, then they would not be having any trade discussions with anyone about Artest.

No team will, so that doesn't really matter.

What does matter is that we can't afford to keep him unless we really think we can contend (the only way the Maloofs would pay the tax). I don't think we're close enough to be serious contenders. We would still need to acquire a franchise big. I seriously doubt that will happen.

[ICMTM]

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You really believe that the Kings are going to meet Artest's contract demands of 13 to 14 million next season?

Artest will be gone; if this is not the impression left on the King's FO, then they would not be having any trade discussions with anyone about Artest.

Didn't Artest say his agent said he could command 13-14m?

[SacKingZZZ]

If you were an opposing GM, what would you give up to rent Ron Artest for 4 months.

His $14-$15 million expectation over the summer probably means that wherever he is traded is not where he is going to stay.

Seems to me the market for Artest is very limited. If Sac can get ANYTHING of lasting value, you ought to take it.

If Denver is offering something, go for it.

If it brought my team closer to a championship then just about whatever it took as long as it didn't deplete my short term ability to compete for a title. 1st round picks, young players getting no playing time, and 7/8 man in the rotation types qualify.

[SacKingZZZ]

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There are slightly different rules when the contract is an extension of a rookie scale contract. Raises are limited to a percentage (10.5% max) of the salary for the final year of the original contract, $1.8M for Kevin. In order to get a package of $55M with the allowable raises, his contract will need to start around $10.3M next year (I've looked up the rules and have done the math myself).

Hmmm...that's not too bad, then that means the last few years of his deal won't ever be all that much larger than the 1st year.

[TunaFish]

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If it brought my team closer to a championship then just about whatever it took as long as it didn't deplete my short term ability to compete for a title. 1st round picks, young players getting no playing time, and 7/8 man in the rotation types qualify.

That sounds about right but I would also add that an expiring would be desirable. However, I think you are correct in general. Now look around the league and point out a contender who has those assets to give up and the need for Artest.

[Smills91]

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That sounds about right but I would also add that an expiring would be desirable. However, I think you are correct in general. Now look around the league and point out a contender who has those assets to give up and the need for Artest.

Suns, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Pistons would be the contenders if landing Artest.

Teams that would jump from middle to top would be: Nuggets, Magic, Jazz, Rockets

Teams that would go from bad to mediocre: Knicks, Warriors, Bucks

That's just off the top of my head.

[TunaFish]

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Suns, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Pistons would be the contenders if landing Artest.

Teams that would jump from middle to top would be: Nuggets, Magic, Jazz, Rockets

Teams that would go from bad to mediocre: Knicks, Warriors, Bucks

That's just off the top of my head.

That doesn't make sense to me. The Mavs have a solid 2, 3 and 4 they might need a center. The Pistons are solid at 2, 3 and 4 and they could use a center. The Spurs; why would they mess with their lineup and they have a solid 2, 3 and 4 but could use a center. Artest is not a center. The Lakers, look solid at the forward and center positions as well as at 2 guard with Koby. The Lakers have sent their big expiring on to Memphis. The Suns have just sent their big expiring to Miami along with their 1st round picks and they have a solid rotation; their moves are probably done. These teams are not looking for Artest and they may not have anything they want to give up. Also the Kings need an expiring back in any deal to balance the future loss of Artest's salary. There is no trade here.

The Jazz would have to move AK47 before taking on Artest. I suppose that could happen but doubtful. What expiring could the Jazz trade to make up for Artest's expiring? The Knicks are trying to trade Curry and Randolph but they don't need a three month rental of Artest. They could use Artest's expiring but I don't seen the Kings taking on salary to help out the knicks. The Nuggets have an expiring in Najera but trading him and a young prospect is probably not going to happen. The Magic don't have much interst in Artest, at least at this point, and have a solid forward lineup.

The warriors could use Artest but will the Kings let me go for nothing more that a trade exception. That's at least a possibility.

I think what is missing in just naming all or some teams is some logic.

[deNIEd]

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Suns, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Pistons would be the contenders if landing Artest.

Teams that would jump from middle to top would be: Nuggets, Magic, Jazz, Rockets

Teams that would go from bad to mediocre: Knicks, Warriors, Bucks

That's just off the top of my head.

If Suns/Lakers/Spurs/Mavs/Pistons aren't currently contenders, who are the current contenders then?

And if Warriors are bad, and they are 8 games ahead of us, then what does that make us? A NBA DL team without Artest?

[SacKingZZZ]

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That sounds about right but I would also add that an expiring would be desirable. However, I think you are correct in general. Now look around the league and point out a contender who has those assets to give up and the need for Artest.

The usual suspects. The Warriors and Nuggets seem like the most logical two out west. Maybe the Nets as a darkhorse if they were to keep Kidd, adding talent is adding talent. The Raptors, the Cavs maybe, maybe even the Knicks still. They are only 5 wins back of playoff spot in the east and Ron has spurned much bigger turnarounds in the past. In the end, all it takes is one.

[TunaFish]

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The usual suspects. The Warriors and Nuggets seem like the most logical two out west. Maybe the Nets as a darkhorse if they were to keep Kidd, adding talent is adding talent. The Raptors, the Cavs maybe, maybe even the Knicks still. They are only 5 wins back of playoff spot in the east and Ron has spurned much bigger turnarounds in the past. In the end, all it takes is one.

I think the Nuggets are out of the picture but the Warriors I will give you as a real possibility. Clearly both of these teams could use Artest and at least G.S. has a big trade exception.

The Nets I can't see. They have Carter and R.J. and I don't think that Artest is more than a spot player at power forward. Also who can the Nets trade to the Kings that would not bring the Kings more salary? If anything the Nets maybe looking to get rid of Kidd while he has value and move on. Artest does not seem like a good fit here.

The Cavs have Lebron at sf and some talent with a lot of money invested in the two guard position, as well. But again, who can they trade that they could afford to give up in a playoff run and also would not bring back salary to the Kings?

The Raptors seem set with their roster as well and have a lot of young at most positions. I think center is their weakness and if they were looking for help it would be for a big man. I know they have some talent they are using at center but those players are primarily power forwards with upside. Who would they trade for a 3 month rental of Artest? Not likely.

The Knicks would love to dump some of their high priced contracts (and flawed players) for any expirings but would the Kings bite on Curry or Randolph? I doubt it.

My point is that the list of suitors for Artest must be pretty small becaue of contract issues, expirings availabe, talent that can be traded and individual team needs. It will be interesting to see how the King's FO bails this situation out. My best guess is that Golden State is the solution.