Bosh drop rethorics and show some heart!

[Yuri Vaultin]

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It honestly seems like this is the first Raptors game you have ever watched.

I think he is Charley Rosen.

[miruss2001]

For everyone who is complaining about Bosh, go to the trade board and propose a trade with him outbound from Toronto. You'll see two things:

First, if he's as bad as you say he is then others will see that and you'll get poor value for him. In which case, congrats, you've likely just weakened the Raptors but ridded your albatross. Well done.

Second, you'll see guys value him highly in which case it kind of belies you point that he sucks. Hopefully the value in return then is a steal for the Raptors. In which case, congrats, you've just perhaps make the Raps better but, oops, proved yourself and your critique of Bosh as garbage as idiotic. Well done again (self-realization is important).

Go ahead try...

[Fairview4Life]

I think he is Charley Rosen.

I agree that his name probably has a c, an o, some e's, an n, and an r. But I think you're missing the t, d, and a second n.

[Yuri Vaultin]

On the Spurs side Ginobli was obviously huge, but the passing ability of the Spurs bigs was what seperates their offense from ours. In tonights game Duncan, Oberto and Horry combined for 10 assists. Our top 3 bigs have never combined for that many assists in a game and Bosh is the biggest reason for that.

Ugh... Do you mean like this??
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Aj.c6zoLZmOFS1ujxzYN.uCQvLYF?gid=2007050417

[ghuytro]

While I don't agree with the premise and overall tone of negativity of this thread, there is something I have noticed about Bosh's game that I feel he needs to improve on.

When he doesn't get the calls on his drives (especially when he's definitely getting fouled) or he has some offensive fouls go against him, he becomes more tentative. Which I guess is understandable because I can see how he would get frustrated by that but he needs to try to play through that and not change what he's doing.

[ImissJordan]

Manu Ginobli could be a superstar on a team where he is the focal point.

Yes, he could be.

In only 30 minutes per game, he averages 19.5 points, 5.0 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 1.7 steals on a team that plays at a slower pace than most and features two other All-Stars (Duncan and Parker).

If you made him your undisputed go-to-guy and gave him 38-40 minutes per game on a team that places an emphasis on scoring the ball, he'd put up some silly numbers.

My brothers/friends last night kept asking why the Spurs are so damn good, and why they've been so good for so long. Having a terrific coach, a Hall-of-Fame big man and an electric point guard obviously place San Antonio in a league above the rest, but I've always felt that Manu Ginobili is the heart and soul of that team.

The guy is a winner.

[YogiStewart]

Trolls. lots of trolls out here.

and, of course, opposing teams think Bosh is the weakest link, ergo they throw their toughest defender and/or double teams at him.

and he's going to the all-star game because coaches feel sorry for him.

they should make people take IQ tests and urine tests before posting.

[whysoserious]

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Yeah like urging them in timeouts to show some heart, and than play like pussy. Oberto won game for SA not with points but with the heart.

Do you think getting hurt in the first half had anything to do with it?

Just a thought, people love to criticize one bad performance and make it out like that's how the guy plays all the time. Bosh has shown enough heart and carried the team on many an occasion. Nothing wrong with him calling out his teammates for a little support when he's struggling and possibly playing through some pain.

[whysoserious]

How do you guys know that he was calling them out for taking jumpshots? (or did i miss something?) Maybe he was upset at guys for not doing other things or not hustling.

In the past some guys here were upset that he didn't show that fiery attitude and now he does and people call him hypocritical. If he's the leader of this team, then he's the one that is going to call out his teammates - whether he's having a bad game or not. If he's having a bad game do you expect him to go into his shell and stay quiet?

You can't win with people around here. They want him to be a leader and yell at teammates from time to time and suddenly he does and it's a problem.

People want to call him hypocritcal but they need to look at themselves for what they are saying.

[whysoserious]

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EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HAVE A BAD GAME! Bosh had one to forget tonight. BUT the point is THAT he showed NO HEART and sounded like a phoney, taking the easy way out by shooting fadaway jumpers when the game was on the line! That is what this thread is all about. Not about the bad game he had.

You're saying he's taking the easy way out when he's shown he hasn't done it consistently in the past. Again, one bad game and you're jumping on him for having a rough game just cause he called his teammates out.

[rapstarr]

it's still BOSH ATTACK!!! in my book.

[whysoserious]

No I expect all of you to say that it is cold when its -15. Not to sugar coated it with the fact that in July it was +30!

But none of your statements ring true. You could say Bosh played a bad game tonight and that would be true. Calling him a 'pu$$y' based on one game though is not giving us the so-called truth that apparently we are all blind to.

[whysoserious]

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Ugh... Do you mean like this??
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Aj.c6zoLZmOFS1ujxzYN.uCQvLYF?gid=2007050417


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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_y ... 2008012302

How about this game where Rasho, Bosh and Bargs combined for 11 assists?

[whysoserious]

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Ugh... Do you mean like this??
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Aj.c6zoLZmOFS1ujxzYN.uCQvLYF?gid=2007050417


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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_y ... 2008012302

How about this game where Rasho, Bosh and Bargs combined for 11 assists?

[N1QUE24]

thanks for spamming

[Smack]

Here's a few interesting Bosh stats.

In games where Bosh scores 25 points or more (a good scoring game by his standards) we're 6 - 7

In games where Bosh scores 20 points or less (a poor scoring game by his standards) we're 10 - 9

In games where Bosh has 3 or more assists we're 14 - 4

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post. Our team doesn't need Bosh to score that much, what we need is him to make high percentage plays that will lead to the best scoring opportunites for the TEAM.

You're misinterpreting cause and effect completely.

In games Bosh has 3+ assists, the team has a high number of assists >
there is alot of ball movement > players are getting and making open shots> high FG% > wins.

For points do the same breakdown with someone like Dirk and see the results. On a team where theres so many scorers, the correlation between Bosh's points and team winning % is low. I would rather have Bosh scoring with his higher FG than most other players. The one thing he still needs to improve on that cost the team last year was his iso plays in the post where he takes so long to make a decision, defenses have time to set up properly. contrast that with TD who makes quick decisions on the fly. If Bosh attacked immediately (which he does often) everytime, 90% of defenders would be forced to foul him or let him by because of his quickness.

[sule]

Bargnani also went 3-11 with 2 rebounds. I thought he was suppposed to carry the offense when Bosh was having an off-game? Barg's shot 4 3-pointers. Meaning there are at least 4 possessions that Bargs had in which he didn't drive to the basket.

How about all the long 2-balls that Delfino took? Delfino should never, EVER, be taking that many shots a game. Just b/c he's playing an Argentinian counterpart doesn't excuse him from his role on the team.

The point is, there's more to the loss than Bosh having to take jumpers, especially when the lane is being blocked by the likes of a stud like Tim Duncan.