ldnk wrote:The_Hater wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
In theory, yes. But ignoring the players involved in the deal would be an even worse mistake by a GM.
Would you turn down Bargnani for Amare or Bargs for Yao because they've likely peaked and Bargs likely hasn't? Of course not. And Kaman is playing at a level right now that it would be shocking to see Bargnani reach. The Clippers would never do this deal.
Ok, so you just showed that you have no idea what buy low/sell high refers to.
Trading for Amare/Yao is not buying high. You are buying established all-stars who have performed at that level for a period of time.
6.1, 9.1, 11.9, 10.1, 16.5
He had three fairly similar years offensively and has jumped up this year.
5.6, 6.7, 9.6, 7.8, 13.6
Again, his rebounding, gets somewhat better but then jumps significantly.
This is what "buying high" means.
This is the first time that Kaman has played at a level that makes him look extremely good. The problem is that he is doing it on an awful team. Sam Dalembert is putting up good numbers this year too. I wouldn't call him a top tier player.
If your argument is that Bargnani isn't a fit for the team and Kaman better complements us, absolutely, it is a valid point of argument. But the whole, Kaman is better than Bargnani thing.
1 - He is three years older
2 - He was drafted in 2003 vs. 2006 for Andrea
3 - Andrea was drafted because he was a 7 footer that can shoot from pretty much anywhere on the court. He was called a project player because he had the skill/ability to be a completely player, but he didn't have those tools ready for the NBA.
You are trading Bargnani at a time when he is playing well below his high end potential, and a season and a half is not even close to enough time to pull the plug.
Andrea over the past 10 games is averaging somewhere around 17 PPG/5 RPG/1 APG
Is it Kaman's 13 rebounds, no, but in Kaman's second NBA season he averaged 9.6 PPG and 6.9 RPG.
I completely understood your point. I've been preaching and living the buy low/sell high theory or years.
Let's ignore your rudimentary use of statistics for now (per minute stats are obviously a better guage of improvment than per game stats).
You're assuming that because Kaman is having his best season that he's peaked and this is as good or better than he's going to be. And you're also assuming the Bargs is going to show substantial improvement in the future and eventually be better than what Kaman is currently. That's the only way that trading Bargs for Kaman backfires for the Raps, correct?
Now I might agree with the first point but don't agree with the second. I think that Kaman today >> Bargnani at his future peak. Perhaps not as a scorer but as a complete basketball player. And I don't see Kaman's current level as a aberration although I can see why some people might think that way.
So in that instance, even though I feel that Bargs well definitely get better that he is now, I still think that if we traded him for Kaman we would be getting the better player both today and in the future. Plus we would be getting a player that fits into our needs much better as a rebounder, low post player, shot-blocker and last line of defense. I think that while Bargs could become a big scorer down the road, he has very limited upside in these important facets of the game.
