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Post#21 » by G_MoNeY » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:59 pm

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Rj makes life easier for VC, too. As much as a fan I am of Vince, I know he's not the type of player who could sustain 100% selfish effort. He will not attack the paint or run the floor a full game. He likes to take over games in a nonselfish way, getting teammates involved and making life easier. Not to mention, as talented as VC is, basketball is still a team game. He needs someone to differ off double-triple teams.

I think you are only seeing limited chemistry because of the way the offense is setup. A penetrating ( :wavefinger: ) RJ opens a lot of room for VC to get good looks and to go to work. There are limited plays when we see that (Franks offense is based on motion sets for open jumpers), but when called..they have alot of success. Example gamewinning drive, dish, 3pt buzzer. A drive an dish by VC to a cutting RJ always results in a dunk. Rj will sell his body an entire 48 min. He will run the floor hard, make harder cuts, dive for loose balls, attack the paint, and defend the 4 when needed. By differing to RJ at times, just gives VC more time/rest to take over when needed.


While I agree RJ helps VC in the games, a low-post presence would make Kidd and VC's life much easier. Less banging to get the rebounds, faster chances for outlet passes to run, a low post presence to score, etc...

The coach does need to go, I'm the biggest supporter in that. However, it's not going to happen unfortunately. You shake up the team with a change, these last 2-3 games is false hope. Kidd still wants out, the team will fall right back down where they were. We can't sustain this level of play consistently. Sorry, but it's true.
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Post#22 » by ViNNNsanity » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:42 am

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VC is not on the same level as MJ or Magic, don't even think to compare them. That's not the case here anyways. Bottom line, follow the lead from PHX, you won't win a ring with 2 perimeter 20+ scorers. You need a presence in the paint. That dimension we lack, along with shooting. I tried to address both in this trade. Honestly think we're better overall after this deal.


MJ and Pippen (sg and sf)? A presence in the paint can be VC and RJ attacking and getting other bigs in foul trouble. They're very capable of doing so. You want consistency yet you're bringing up 2 very inconsistent players in Q and Curry? We also have Kristic who's an impact player since he receieved playing time here. He'll get you rebounds, post scoring, shooting, consistently without all the offensive fouls.

We've consistently found ways to fight our way back many times before. There's still half a season left. We've got 3 in a row and we just blew out a strong western team in Dallas. I'm not seeing how that's "false hope."

If you're looking for a way to pull a change and make our team better, look into Wright, Boki, and expiring contracts. Also promote better plays going towards the basket, and give SWAT and Swift more burn.
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Post#23 » by G_MoNeY » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:36 pm

bottom line, the production Lee and Curry bring is more than Magloire and Williams is providing. We have more depth and Currys presence could help us. Especially come playoff time.

Preaching to the choir about Wright and Boki....that's why I mentioned Mike Miller, Matt Carroll, etc... Magloire is an expiring.
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Post#24 » by NetsNash13 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:20 pm

EFF wrote:I think RJ and Vince have limited chemistry. Jefferson benefits from carter being on the floor but doesn't return the favor.

And we couldnt have easily gotten Pau because the Griz were looking for cap relief. We can't give them that.

Could have kept Collins and done Collins + Magloire + filler and pick or 2 for him. Krstic Gasol RJ Carter Kidd= Title.

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