Would you guys trade Bynum for Al Jeff

Post #41 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:10 pm

Myth_Breaker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Oh Reverend, I must admit your logic and ability to make comparisons are truly astounding. If you follow the same path in theology, St. Augustine, Albertus Magnus and Ratzinger combined should feel really threatened!

wow, did you really just insult my religion/profession? It was clear I was making fun of the age argument. I am finishing up my masters thesis right now, if you want to read about patristic trinitarian theology we can discuss that.

Myth_Breaker · Post #42 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:17 pm

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

wow, did you really just insult my religion/profession?

Really? I did? Your posts are only getting funnier and funnier.

It was clear I was making fun of the age argument.

It was clear that either it was your failed attempt of a joke or failed attempt of an argument - not very valuable post in both cases, I might add.

I am finishing up my masters thesis right now, if you want to read about patristic trinitarian theology we can discuss that.

We might - though after seeing you fail in much less sophisticated matters, I wouldn't be exactly the first to trust your reasoning on subtle metaphysical issues. ;-)

Post #43 » by **C.lupus** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:18 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:I'm going to post his on the Minnesota board to see what they say. it'll be funny, I'll bet we'll get quite a few hell no's. Seriously, check their board in like 20 minutes.

For the record I said no over there (not hell no). If I was a Laker fan, I would say no also. I like Bynum. He has a great upside and he is most definitely the better fit with you guys. I happen to really like Al's game and I think he has a great upside, too. I'm not going to get into the debate of which one is better because the question was "would you trade one for the other?" The answer on both sides is no and that is fine.

Fair enough?

RJM · Post #44 » by **RJM** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:19 pm

To the OP; HELL NO!

Post #45 » by **milesfides** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:20 pm

Bynum is already a slightly better rebounder per minute and a significantly better shotblocker. The latter is especially important as a defender - a legit basket protector is vital to a team's defense.

Bynum is also taller and longer, giving him a significant advantage in the post. You can throw him a wider variety of passes (as well as mistakes) and Bynum will still convert due to his length and hands.

Jefferson doesn't have that. They're physical traits unique to Bynum.

Bynum also has a lot of upside, both physical and game. Jefferson? I might be selling him short, but I think he's close to maxing out his physical potential (he looks built and solid) and his game is already fairly diverse (more than half his shots are jump shots).

Bynum's still got chicken legs, this is his first year in which his lack of strength isn't a liability, and unlike Jefferson, nearly almost of his baskets are right at the rim. So, considering his soft hands and improving footwork, you could see much more potential as Bynum develops his game away from the basket.

Nothing to take away from Al Jefferson, he's a solid post player, as solid as they usually come, but Bynum is turning out to be that rare big man that comes only once every NBA generation.

Shaq --> Tim Duncan --> Andrew Bynum

(apologies to Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire)

Post #46 » by **Klomp** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:21 pm

I think though the fact that Al Jefferson's footwork down low is as good as there is in the NBA. He hasn't drawn comparisons to Kevin McHale for no reason (Not GM McHale; the one of 50 Greatest NBA Players McHale).

ak777 · Post #47 » by **ak777** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:22 pm

revprodeji wrote:who cares if he is 3 years younger. My brother is 10, so he is 10 years younger than Bynum and he was an all-star in his little league. So maybe he can be better than Kobe? He is younger?

whoever made you a moderator needs to think twice...what a pathetic analogy....do you know what you are talking about?

Post #48 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:25 pm

Myth_Breaker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We might - though after seeing you fail in much less sophisticated matters, I wouldn't be exactly the first to trust your reasoning on subtle metaphysical issues.

Thank you, of course your opinion matters very much to me. Being that you do not know me, or anything I have done in the matters of theology. But I do enjoy people who act like pricks for no reason on a message board. I often assume they have horrible lives where they need to go somewhere else to develop some sense of worth by being a jerk. In which case I am glad I was able to help. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

Post #49 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:26 pm

ak777 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

whoever made you a moderator needs to think twice...what a pathetic analogy....do you know what you are talking about?

Do laker fans read over an 8th grade level? I am clearly making fun of the "bynum is better because he is younger" argument.

Post #50 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:28 pm

would u trade shaq for zach randolph? me neither. say no to this.

ak777 · Post #51 » by **ak777** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:28 pm

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do laker fans read over an 8th grade level? I am clearly making fun of the "bynum is better because he is younger" argument.

ohh yeah??? better use a better analogy next time.....

and whoever gave you admit to a masters program needs to be questioned.....

ak777 · Post #52 » by **ak777** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:30 pm

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

wow, did you really just insult my religion/profession? It was clear I was making fun of the age argument. I am finishing up my masters thesis right now, if you want to read about patristic trinitarian theology we can discuss that.

I think there is no logical thinking in ur masters thesis

Myth_Breaker · Post #53 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:30 pm

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Thank you, of course your opinion matters very much to me. Being that you do not know me, or anything I have done in the matters of theology. But I do enjoy people who act like pricks for no reason on a message board. I often assume they have horrible lives where they need to go somewhere else to develop some sense of worth by being a jerk. In which case I am glad I was able to help. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

Irony is definitely another one of your strong suits. ;-)

But I hope I didn't make you cry with my cruel assumptions: feel free to return to our board once you come up with the next idea as wise and revolutionary as comparing Bynum to your brother! :rofl:

Jordan-esque · Post #54 » by **Jordan-esque** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:31 pm

Imagine if the Bynum was the 1ST option for the Lakers like Jefferson is for the T'Wolves...

That's one of the reasons why PPG differentials between the 2 don't bother me.

Bynum's league leading .636 FG% is more than enough.

:starwars

Post #55 » by **Klomp** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:39 pm

Jordan-esque wrote:Imagine if the Bynum was the 1ST option for the Lakers like Jefferson is for the T'Wolves...

That's one of the reasons why PPG differentials between the 2 don't bother me.

Bynum's league leading .636 FG% is more than enough.

You basically just contradicted yourself. If he was the first option his percentage would likely drop. Heck if Al was playing alongside Kobe, Lamar, etc. he could shoot 63% too.

Myth_Breaker · Post #56 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:45 pm

klomp44 wrote:I think though the fact that Al Jefferson's footwork down low is as good as there is in the NBA. He hasn't drawn comparisons to Kevin McHale for no reason (Not GM McHale; the one of 50 Greatest NBA Players McHale).

I saw these comparisons to McHale's footwork and post moves. It's great since McHale was on absolute top as to those traits (Walton once called him second best post player he faced, after only Kareem Abdul - Jabbar). Yet in overall ranking of bigmen your GM is ranked relatively lower - and deservedly. Because diversified arsenal doesn't automatically equal dominance, hence Moses or Shaq>McHale, and in future prolly also Bynum>Big Al. Got it? ;-)

Post #57 » by **milesfides** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:45 pm

ak777 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

whoever made you a moderator needs to think twice...what a pathetic analogy....do you know what you are talking about?

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do laker fans read over an 8th grade level? I am clearly making fun of the "bynum is better because he is younger" argument.

Let's not go down this road.

blix · Post #58 » by **blix** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:48 pm

revprodeji wrote:Do laker fans read over an 8th grade level?

Nice blanket statement there.

Myth_Breaker · Post #59 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:48 pm

klomp44 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You basically just contradicted yourself. If he was the first option his percentage would likely drop. Heck if Al was playing alongside Kobe, Lamar, etc. he could shoot 63% too.

You're right here - yet his shot attempts and as a result scoring average would only go up. That's why it's hard to compare directly Al and Bynum in their different situations - though we can draw some conclusions, as we already did in this thread.

Jordan-esque · Post #60 » by **Jordan-esque** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:48 pm

klomp44 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You basically just contradicted yourself. If he was the first option his percentage would likely drop. Heck if Al was playing alongside Kobe, Lamar, etc. he could shoot 63% too.

And who says that his percentage will drop?

An unhealthy Shaq averages .584 FG% as a 1st option with the Lakers, can still manage to get a .581 FG% as a second option 4 years later.