TRADE: Kidd to Mavericks (ALL POSTS HERE!!!!)

[Pooch]

Great job by VandeThorn. This team is in the same place they were in yesterday, an elite big man away from competing for an NBA title. The only difference is now we have a lot more pieces to hopefully sign or trade for said big man.

Very exciting day for the Nets from my POV because now we have hope. In a horrible eastern conference, we weren't a winning team with Kidd. Short of going after Shaq or some other very temporary fix that wasn't going to change. Now we have a very good 24 year old PG, a very good 27 year old SF, 4-5 interesting pieces (Marcus, SWAT, Boone, Diop, Kristic), 2 extra 1st round picks, and a star SG.

Going forward If I were VandeThorn I would shop VC but I wouldn't give him away for nothing. I think he actually fits the mix of this team a lot better without Kidd because of his passing ability. With Kidd it wasn't utilized much but now with more of a catch and shoot PG he should be better off. Like I said if a good offer came around I wouldn't hesitate to try and get more cap space or young bodies to make a push for a guy like Elton Brand or Beasley this summer. All in all a good day for the Nets. We turned the page on the Kidd era, which was for all intents and purposes over a year and a half ago anyway.

Exactly! Well said. I think this team is better now. We have the pieces to make the team even better. For all the good things JKidd does, and I really really will miss his vision and presence, his price tag is too high. This is the end of an era, and unless we make it to the finals, I will be going for the mavericks as well.

Hope we play well tonight and not let the distractions get to us!

[SpeedyG]

Wow...I'm shocked. If we really did get Harris + 2 1sts, + Ager + Diop...that's a damn good value for the Nets.

You guys all know I joined the Nets because of Kidd. That being said...ADIOS EVERYONE!!!!








































Just kidding. I'll still be following the Nets. I like RJ, Krstic is probably one of my favorite players (just an awesome person), and Swat is up there too. And of course, Thorn pulled off a heckuva heist being able to get this much for Kidd when everyone felt his value was this low.

[SD2042]

This trade was a good one for the Nets. They got back some value pieces they can use for the future in Devin Harris, and the two first round picks. For the Mavs, they get back JKidd who can dish the rock and get players in involve on offense. Do the Mavs get the title? Doubt it, but they will be contenders in the playoffs and will miss Devin Harris at the same time.

[JKiddy]

RJ should fill in for Kidd at the All-Star game.

We need to push for Brand in the off-season (if healthy - if not then trade for JO if he's healthy).

If we sign Brand we would be up there with Boston. If he have to trade Carter to get something back in the off-season we might want to look at that and just go with youth on this team. I really like the talent we have and if we can add Brand we would be in a very good spot.

Harris, Jefferson, Krstic, Williams squared, Ager, Brand, Boone, Swift, Brand??, Boki - That's depth. Factor in keeping Diop or using him and a pick plus VC for the player we need?? (if we don't get Brand as a FA)

[gmurray8]

The Nets just fleeced Dallas. Congrats

Starting PG, Nice Backup C, expirings, 2 first round picks for:

35 year old PG who shoots 36%, commits lots of TOs, and gets rebounds because his team is a poor rebounding team... Oh - and hes paid $20 mil.

Rod Thorn is a genious.
(this coming from a Lakers Fan btw)

[aussienet]

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Sorry Dach, JKIDD definately won't win Dallas a ring the more I think about it the Mavs will be one an done.
I agree with you that JKIDD competed every single night. He bought so much to this team and ballclub.
I think management got the best possible deal. That being said If JKIDD was a 30 year old no way does he ask for a trade. His window is closing I agree with that but Jkidd wanting to go to the Mavs is his big mistake. We gave him his wish and squeezed every last drop out of the mavs.
JKIDD will live to regret this.
I want him to get his ring but it won't be at dallas.

[Netaman]

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Exactly! Well said. I think this team is better now. We have the pieces to make the team even better. For all the good things JKidd does, and I really really will miss his vision and presence, his price tag is too high. This is the end of an era, and unless we make it to the finals, I will be going for the mavericks as well.

Hope we play well tonight and not let the distractions get to us!

Thats another thing we gain. I am not at all bitter to Jason Kidd and in fact I am 100% grateful for everything he brought the franchise. Now if we traded him for Kwame Brown and Cittenton I would think differently, but since we made out well I wish him nothing but the best. With that said I now have legitimate rooting interest in the WC because I would like to see JKidd show everyone once and for all that Nash cannot hold his jock and that he is the best PG since Magic.

[SpeedyG]

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Sorry Dach, JKIDD definately won't win Dallas a ring the more I think about it the Mavs will be one an done.
I agree with you that JKIDD competed every single night. He bought so much to this team and ballclub.
I think management got the best possible deal. That being said If JKIDD was a 30 year old no way does he ask for a trade. His window is closing I agree with that but Jkidd wanting to go to the Mavs is his big mistake. We gave him his wish and squeezed every last drop out of the mavs.
JKIDD will live to regret this.
I want him to get his ring but it won't be at dallas.

I'm not sure about that. The West is soooo stacked, but I think Kidd's a good fit for that Dallas team.

[kidd007]

this si my last post as kidd007.But i would like to say thank you to him for everything he did for this team.He's still my favorite team and i do hope he can get a ring with the mavs.
The deal was good to us.There's a point where you need to "move on" and that what happened.kidd already gave us what he had to.

[jcrack32]

Let me preface this by saying I was against the Nets trading Kidd during the season. I felt Kidd was being the typical childish star asking to be traded and even demanding his agent that he be traded to a competitive team. He put the Nets in a terrible spot. I thought the Nets best move might be hold off trading Kidd till the off season and see where the Nets go with all the pieces healthy.

With all that said, this deal is a no brainer. I think we got as much value as possible here. I'm not a Harris fan and honestly, I think he's a bit overrated but there is no question that he is a good starting PG in this league. To get a quality young PG with good potential plus picks (though both will be low) and expiring contracts is more than we could ask for in the position we've been in. If this deal is completed, kudos to Thorn and Kiki for a tremendous job here.

I do have two worries with this trade though. One is with Boone and his progress. Obviously, Boone has benefited big time with being on the floor with Kidd. I hope that Boone continues to progress as he has been but I'm not ready to be 100% set on that. Kidd's greatest asset is making the players around him so much better. Both Boone and SWAT have played beyond expectations this year and at least part of that is because of Kidd. With Kidd gone, both of them will have to continue to step up their game. Lastly, where does this leave MWilliams? All the reports have been that management is so high on him. MWilliams has been shaky to say the least this season but does this mean management does not feel he can be a starting PG in this league. Clearly Harris will get the nod over him. Any thoughts of putting MWilliams as a SG is just absurd. He is undersized, a poor shooter and a poor defender...there is not a chance he can play SG in this league.

This trade after really looking at it, leaves us in a pretty good position. I think we'll end up making least one more trade and not necessarily VC or RJ. We have 3 expirings now and enough picks to play with it. At the very least, we get flexibility.

[Respect_My_Authorota]

End of an era, Sad day to see Hall of fame player Jason Kidd go to another team. I was hoping that our team was his last stop. Hope he gets the championship with Mavs or any other team.

Welcome to Harris and hopefully the beginning of a new era

[cram]

Except for the vince carter resigning, you guys have an awesome GM. In the Vince Carter trade you fleeced Toronto. Here, you somehow convinced Dallas to give up a TON for Jason. More than any of the other recent superstar-to-a-contender trades.

Its especially impressive when you consider where that Dallas was bidding against itself for Jason. Lets face it, Jason was forcing his way out and lets also face that there was nowhere for him to go but Dallas. The top teams in the west....
Phoenix - Nash
New Orleans - Paul
Dallas - _______
Utah - Deron
Lakers - Fisher, but wouldn't have ANY horses for a JK trade.
San Antonio - Parker.

Seriously, who was Dallas bidding against? And they gave up THAT much?? Wow.

Thorn is a skilled GM.

[Downtown]

Sonics fan here. This is the definition of what a win/win deal is about.

Jason Kidd said it best with his "it's time to move on" quote. For sure he is a fair bit better than Devon Harris ever will be, but if an older veteran doesn't want to be in a situation then there's no use forcing matters. What the Nets got in return is more than good value. Harris is a bonafide starting pointguard. And in the more low scoring, defense first east conference he should be a good fit.

Players like Diop will do a decent job. I think for this season anyways, Jerry Stckhouse may be a wildcard. As the first off the bench he can still give a lift to a team as a crafty veteran. I don't see you guys slipping significantly this season because Kidd has left. And first round picks are never a bad thing. There are some really good prospects that are projected where the Mavs will pick this year.

It's obvious why the Mavs did this. I give Cuban credit that he wants to win it all and win it now, and isn't about to throw in the towel to the likes of the Lakers or Suns who made big moves. How this affects the Mavs down the road is a good question, but they aren't looking beyond this season.

Good for both.

[HotShots]

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And the 2 first round picks. I like the deal a lot.

Dallas is about to send Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse, DeSagana Diop, Devean George, Maurice Ager, cash and two first-round picks to New Jersey for Kidd, Antoine Wright, Malik Allen and a second-rounder. (Technically it would be two trades, with Wright for a No. 2 as a side deal in order to meet league roster requirements).

And a second.........NICE JOB THORN! I really like it!

[BballerShotCaller]

harris is more of a 2 gaurd.

wouldn't be suprised if

PG - Marcus
SG - Harris

since the nets magement is up on marcus, and well get some young backups if we trade VC or somethin.

That wouldn't surprise me either. I think these two can flip-flop back
and forth between PG & SG while playing simultaneously.
A coach like Frank should be able to exploit this and make it a strength.

[NetsForce]

God damn it... As a Nets fan I'm actually more disappointed in trading Wright than Kidd...

I mean I knew Kidd's time as a Net had run its course but Wright was really putting it all together this season, he's young, he's energetic, he defends very well, and he never gives up...

[Blame Rasho]

I think you guys got a very respectable deal for Kidd. It seems like giving 2 draft picks is not standard for getting a superstar.

[BballerShotCaller]

Why would you buy Stack out? He'd be excellent trade bait/a cheap SG who could hold the fort down in a possible VC trade.

Yeah, why would Thorn buyout Stackhouse? Stackhouse has value.
He could be traded for more future picks or another young developing
player.

[carrottop12]

This is the biggest case of rape in the NBA since Kob...

[SLIMM07]

I honestly do not see Carter being traded for O'Neal, I think JO's knees are the thing that killed the deal