ESPN: 76ers Trying to Acquire Lowry

[The Sixer Fixer]

From what I've seen of Lowry I don't like the long term prospects of him as a starting PG. He's a penetrating scorer at 5'11 that doesn't play above the rim unlike Iverson, TJ Ford, the young Bobby Jackson, Marbury. Lowry is too much like the young Tyrone Lue and Jameer Nelson...

Since when did Iverson play "above the rim"? Sure he could dunk on a breakaway, but let's be real, he didn't/doesn't play above the rim. His value is based on quickness, ability to penetrate and shot creativity. Same thing with Ford...he's no where near an "above the rim" PG. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean by "above the rim"?

[Sixerscan]

wow

[SendEm]

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Since when did Iverson play "above the rim"? Sure he could dunk on a breakaway, but let's be real, he didn't/doesn't play above the rim. His value is based on quickness, ability to penetrate and shot creativity. Same thing with Ford...he's no where near an "above the rim" PG. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean by "above the rim"?

Yeah you don't know what "above the rim means". Above the rim doesn't just mean dunking the ball. Above the rim means at what level your hands are when you leave your feet to do anything. When Iverson shoots a floater in the paint his hand is far above the rim. When Iverson shoots his jump shot his hand is atleast at rim level. Iverson can also grab rebounds out of the air that are still higher than rim level. That's what playing above the rim means. If you've ever had floor seats at an NBA game and compare what I just explained to what happens at a game at the YMCA you will know precisely what I am talking about.

[Sixerscan]

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Yeah you don't know what "above the rim means". Above the rim doesn't just mean dunking the ball. Above the rim means at what level your hands are when you leave your feet to do anything. When Iverson shoots a floater in the paint his hand is far above the rim. When Iverson shoots his jump shot his hand is atleast at rim level. Iverson can also grab rebounds out of the air that are still higher than rim level. That's what playing above the rim means. If you've ever had floor seats at an NBA game and compare what I just explained to what happens at a game at the YMCA you will know precisely what I am talking about.

Kyle Lowry is an amazing rebounder for a guard. That's how he made a name for himself at Nova, grabbing rebounds over taller opponents and tipping balls back in. Last year in limited minutes he was the best rebounding point guard this side of Jason Kidd. This year he hasn't been quite as good, but still above average for a guard

If there's one 5'11" in the league that matches your definition of "above the rim," it's Kyle Lowry.

[Sandalf42]

I don't know much (if any) about Kyle Lowry, but what he sounds like to me is a very young natural PG. If that's the case, I think we need to get him.

We need sum1 like him to take over when Dre goes to the bench.

[SendEm]

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Kyle Lowry is an amazing rebounder for a guard. That's how he made a name for himself at Nova, grabbing rebounds over taller opponents and tipping balls back in. Last year in limited minutes he was the best rebounding point guard this side of Jason Kidd. This year he hasn't been quite as good, but still above average for a guard

If there's one 5'11" in the league that matches your definition of "above the rim," it's Kyle Lowry.

Rebounding can be about technique, timing, and desire more than anything. I don't see Lowry doing any great deal of rebounding in this game. Above the rim encompasses more than JUST rebounding. Nate Robinson plays above the rim...

[Johnny Broad-Street]

this definition of above the rim is truly enlightening. is that the standard webster's definition or one you came up with?


I'm starting to see what you guys mean about this cat.

[The Sixer Fixer]

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Yeah you don't know what "above the rim means". Above the rim doesn't just mean dunking the ball. Above the rim means at what level your hands are when you leave your feet to do anything. When Iverson shoots a floater in the paint his hand is far above the rim. When Iverson shoots his jump shot his hand is atleast at rim level. Iverson can also grab rebounds out of the air that are still higher than rim level. That's what playing above the rim means. If you've ever had floor seats at an NBA game and compare what I just explained to what happens at a game at the YMCA you will know precisely what I am talking about.

If that's your definition of "above the rim", then 90% of the league plays above the rim.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

and by that definition AI is in the 10 that don't

[SendEm]

this definition of above the rim is truly enlightening. is that the standard webster's definition or one you came up with?


I'm starting to see what you guys mean about this cat.

I don't believe Webster's Dictionary is the cannon of basketball terminology...Although I could be wrong...

[SendEm]

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If that's your definition of "above the rim", then 90% of the league plays above the rim.

You realistically HAVE to play above the rim in order to make it to the NBA. Either that or you have to have an insane basketball IQ and skill set like Mugsy Bogues and Mark Price. Kyle Lowry is an NBA player because he is a skilled pro baskeball player and has a high basketball IQ. Kyle would go to Europe or the NBDL and average 25+ points and 9+ assists RIGHT NOW. For example Lynn Greer averaged 27+ points in Europe, also a Philly native...

You have "above the rim" then you have "ABOVE THE RIM." Iverson is "above the rim". Lebron is "ABOVE THE RIM." But both of those players both finish above the rim.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

picked up on tht sarcasm didja professor?

[Sixerscan]

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Rebounding can be about technique, timing, and desire more than anything. I don't see Lowry doing any great deal of rebounding in this game. Above the rim encompasses more than JUST rebounding. Nate Robinson plays above the rim...

Stop using buzz words and say what you actually mean then.

[76erinSJ]

LOL. Another classic hoops nugget by the one and only Sendem. That def sounds like something Bill Walton would say.

[bebopdeluxe]

I guess that if we could pick up Lowry for cheap, it would be OK with me, but I just don't see how this team could give meaningful time to both Lowry and Williams. While I really like what Kyle can bring to the table in terms of defense and overall aggressiveness, I think that he's too small to be a 35 mpg PG in this league...I don't think that his offense is good enough, and I think that some of his value on the defensive end would be offset by opposing players just posting him up all night long.

To me, it's the same thing with Jameer Nelson... I love both of those guys, but I just have a tough time imagining either of them being a 35-38 mpg PG for a team that goes deep in the playoffs...I have the same concerns about Lou Williams, but I believe that, even if he can't make it as a 35 mpg PG, he can score the ball well enough IMO that he can be a 20-25 mpg combo guard off the bench.

[SendEm]

Kyle Lowry needs to develop either an automatic outside jump shot like Dana Barros/Michael Adams or he needs some floaters like Sherman Douglas. Right now he has nothing in a half court offense but being the play initiator/penetrator, but he wisely chooses not to finish when a defensive player closes because he will either throw up a low percentage shot or get it blocked. I want Kyle to suceed in the NBA but I would steer clear of him.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

The sherman douglas comparison is a good one, but Sherm couldn't get to the rim like Kyle.

[Nofx8881]

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Kyle Lowry is an amazing rebounder for a guard. That's how he made a name for himself at Nova, grabbing rebounds over taller opponents and tipping balls back in. Last year in limited minutes he was the best rebounding point guard this side of Jason Kidd. This year he hasn't been quite as good, but still above average for a guard

If there's one 5'11" in the league that matches your definition of "above the rim," it's Kyle Lowry.

he's actually averaging more rebounds per game this season than last. 3.4 to 3.1, though he is averaging 7.5 more minutes per game this season.

he averaged 8.5 rebounds per 48 last season and 6.5 this season. so yeah, i guess you were actually right.

kinda interesting that his stats seem less impressive this season with the more playing time he's getting. 3 point % is way down. FT% is way way down. steals are down. TOs are up. fouls are up. but he did only play 10 games last season before getting injured so that is a small sample size.

he's an interesting player, i guess. i wouldn't want to give up too much for him, but i guess i'd take him.

[SendEm]

The sherman douglas comparison is a good one, but Sherm couldn't get to the rim like Kyle.

Sherm is a vastly superior player, penetrator and finisher at the rim than Kyle. Kyle is just faster and that's it.

If Sherm was playing in today's NBA he would be VERY coveted. He averaged 18.5 points 8.5 assists and shot 50.4% FG at the age of 24 back in a more talented NBA that still had hand checking and physical defense.

[Ballings7]

I think getting Lowry would be great for you guys, I love his game