What do the Kings Management Expect to get for Artest...

[dc]

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My point is that the list of suitors for Artest must be pretty small becaue of contract issues, expirings availabe, talent that can be traded and individual team needs. It will be interesting to see how the King's FO bails this situation out. My best guess is that Golden State is the solution.

It's an interesting scenario for both the Kings and teams that are interested in Artest because of payroll and luxury tax issues.

The Nuggets (with their already sky high payroll) would have a hard time giving up an expiring deal and then having to re-sign Artest. Taking on Kenny Thomas? Forget about it. It's not financially possible from their point of view.

The Warriors' payroll isn't nearly as high as the Nugz, but they have an owner who won't pay the luxury tax. Re-signing both Biedrins and Ellis is going to push them close to the tax. It's unlikely they can then dole out another new contract for Artest. We're another team that will most definitely not be taking on Kenny Thomas.

I don't see the Warriors offering up more than their 1st round pick plus some expiring deals (Pietrus, Barnes, Patrick O'Bryant) because the chances of them being willing to extend Artest for big bucks is rather slim. And no, they're not trading Brandan Wright (who they traded JRich to get).

From the Warriors point of view, Artest is pretty much a 3 month rental unless someone like Al Harrington is an outgoing piece. They simply wouldn't be able to afford his new extension. And the Kings, with their own luxury tax concerns, aren't likely to want a contract like Harrington's.

A lot of this simply comes down to dollars and cents. It's every bit financial as it is basketball. I see a 3rd team with cap space that needs to be involved in any Artest deal because the financial aspects of the Kings, Warriors, Nugz combined with Artest's upcoming contract demands would otherwise limit a lot of possibilities.

[ICMTM]

Hence why Artest will be a King next year.

[pillwenney]

Hence why Artest will be a King next year.

No because we still can't afford to re-sign him.

[TunaFish]

Hence why Artest will be a King next year.

More likely is that Artest opts out and trys to get a 10 million dollar contract with an team that has cap space. I doubt the Kings want to pay the luxury tax to keep Artest unless they think their present club is a contender with Artest.

I think the Kings see the same situation that I am seeing (as well as some of the rest of you) and want to get something for him now. It would be different if the Kings were in a playoff situation. The King's FO is going to have work some magic.

[floppymoose]

There are some excellent points being made in this thread.

Just wanted to add one more, and I'm only half joking: to those who pointed out teams that needed a center and said Artest wasn't.... if he went to GS he might play some center.

[ICMTM]

More likely is that Artest opts out and trys to get a 10 million dollar contract with an team that has cap space. I doubt the Kings want to pay the luxury tax to keep Artest unless they think their present club is a contender with Artest.

I think the Kings see the same situation that I am seeing (as well as some of the rest of you) and want to get something for him now. It would be different if the Kings were in a playoff situation. The King's FO is going to have work some magic.

Any Artest deal has included Kenny Thomas. The real issue is if everyone comes back the Kings are a luxury tax paying team, and not that we will let him walk for nothing. SO...If other moves are made then Artest can stay for $10M per year. The bigger issue really is what the Kings are going to do with Mike Bibby than Ron Artest IMO if you're looking at this from a business perspective. If Artest walks that actually solves a problem (luxury tax). It doesn't create one.

[RIPskaterdude]

Somehow...I see this team staying put, then not resigning Artest and "trying" to make a run for the playoffs with our team + draft pick. Obviously we won't sign anyone important in fear of the tax, so you'll just see the same team...minus Artest (+draft pick, but I bet it will be another "project" like Hawes that never plays).

Is anyone a San Francisco Giants fan? Did you see what they did this offseason after losing Bonds?

NOTHING.

And I bet thats what is going to happen to the Kings if they don't make a trade by Feb 21st.

[pillwenney]

There are some excellent points being made in this thread.

Just wanted to add one more, and I'm only half joking: to those who pointed out teams that needed a center and said Artest wasn't.... if he went to GS he might play some center.

That's the thing--in certain situations, Ron could play SG or PF as well as SF, and thus teams could adjust their lineups. In Detroit, they could possibly move Ron to PF and Sheed to Center (though I still have serious doubts that he could end up there). I think in Denver in particular, playing Ron at PF would be interesting. Even though Nene is probably better at guarding PF's than Ron, it's not like he's a whole lot better, and with the rebounding, if Ron averages say 6RPG (he would probably average more with Denver's pace) and Camby stays at his average, that's like 20-21RPG between your starting PF and C, and that's still pretty much elite.

A couple of other thoughts...

First, given the lack of teams with the necessary resources to, for example, give us straight expirings for Kenny/Ron, I think a more reasonable possibility would be Ron for an expirings/youth type package, and then Kenny for either a smaller contract of the same length, or a better player on a similar kind of contract--something like that. The example I came up with before was Mike James. Sure he's crap, but his contract is considerably smaller and while that may not mean much in the way of literal extra cap room, it could mean a lot in being able to move him to a team in need of a backup PG.

I personally still like this deal.

Houston trades
Tracy MgGrady
Mike James

Houston Gets
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Why for Houston? They find a combination that works and that Rick knows. Rick has coached all of these players and coached Kenny and Mike when they were at their best. They would create more of a winning situation and would definitely be able to convince Ron to re-sign, and could compete for the next couple of years with the following lineup.

Bibby\Alston\Brooks
Battier\Head
Artest\Wells\Novak
Scola\Thomas\Hayes
Yao\Landry\Mutombo

Toronto trades
Rasho Nesterovic
Jorge Garbajosa
Andrea Bargnani
Juan Dixon
Lotto protected 1st

Toronto Gets
Tracy MgGrady
Nazr Mohammed

They make a bold move to win now that could make them serious competitors in the easy by bringing T-Mac back to Toronto

Calderon\Ford\Martin
Parker\Delfino
MgGrady\Kapono\Graham
Bosh\Moon\Baston
Mohammed\Humphries


Charlotte Trades
Nazr Mohammed
08 1st

Charlotte Gets
Andrea Bargnani

Obviously Charlotte only does it if they like Bargnani, but if they do, then this deal could be really interesting for them. He would help them a lot and fit into their current lineup well now and in the future.

Felton\McInnis\Anderson
Richardson\Boykins\Morrison
Wallace\Carrol\Dudley
Bargnani\Harrington\May*
Okafor\Davidson\Hollins

Kings trade
Bibby
Artest
Thomas

Kings get
Rasho Nesterovic
Jorge Garbajosa (would probably be waived)
Juan Dixon
Mike James
08 1st from Toronto
08 1st from Charlotte


It only saves us a few million next year (unless maybe we could do something like Rasho/2nd for GS's trade exception), and assuming we re-sign Beno, we would go into the tax a bit still, but it saves us more the year after. But after the draft, we could be an interesting team, looking something like...

Udrih\Bayless\James
Martin\Douby
Salmons\Garcia\Patrick Patterson
Moore\Hawes\Arthur\SAR
Miller\Rasho\J. Williams

Which looks like a mess, but the year after, it would look clearer (and this would be assuming we made no moves). One move we could make would be something like our 09 pick with SAR/James to help move them (since we would frankly have enough young talent, but let's just say that we can't make that move, and draft Javale MgGee).

Udrih\Bayless\James
Martin\Douby
Salmons\Garcia\09 pick?
Hawes\Patterson\SAR
Miller\Arthur\J. Williams

With the ideal, future lineup being...

Bayless\Udrih
Martin\Douby
Salmons\Garcia
Arthur\Patterson
Hawes\Williams\MgGee

[ICMTM]

The best line I've heard with regards to trades and Geoff Petrie:

"The trades you don't hear about are the ones most likely to happen."

-Chris Webber

Sacramento does gamble on Character guys, so I don't think you can rule out anyone in a trade.

[Smills91]

The best line I've heard with regards to trades and Geoff Petrie:

"The trades you don't hear about are the ones most likely to happen."

-Chris Webber

Sacramento does gamble on Character guys, so I don't think you can rule out anyone in a trade.

With the Liklihood of Kidd moving to Dallas, now that puts the Suns/Lakers/Mavs as RE-UPPING for these play-offs, if someone wants to take a shot at these guys(Denver, SA, Utah, Houston etc) then Ron's value just jumped up even more, as well as Bibby's. Kidd being dealt means Bibby's the Best PG available via trade(with the right asking price).

Petrie pulling a rabbit out of his hat this deadline would be brilliant.

[RIPskaterdude]

Harris, Diop AND two 1st for Kidd.

WOW.

I can't wait to see what someone overpays for Bibby or Artest

[Ballings7]

There goes Artest to Dallas trade possibility (and for a signing, Howard has to move to the two, and they have to lessen Terry's minutes).

Terry's not relevant for us. Howard's unrealistic.

[Smills91]

There goes Artest to Dallas trade possibility (and for a signing, Howard has to move to the two, and they have to lessen Terry's minutes).

Terry's not relevant for us. Howard's unrealistic.

I think the Mavs are set now, but if they did go after Artest now, it'd cost them Howard, I doubt they'd be willing to part with him, but Howard could easily pry Artest away in some capacity. And honestly, an Artest/Howard swap would give the Mavs more of what they REALLY need(shut down wing defender and a low-post threat).

[RIPskaterdude]

I think the Mavs are set now, but if they did go after Artest now, it'd cost them Howard, I doubt they'd be willing to part with him, but Howard could easily pry Artest away in some capacity. And honestly, an Artest/Howard swap would give the Mavs more of what they REALLY need(shut down wing defender and a low-post threat).

The Mavs would never trade Howard for Artest. Never.

[backer55]

Is anyone a San Francisco Giants fan? Did you see what they did this offseason after losing Bonds?

[b]NOTHING.

Don't get me started. After a lifetime of being a hardcore Giants supporter and fan, i know longer give $.02 what they do or how they end up. I'm Done!

[SacKingZZZ]

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With the Liklihood of Kidd moving to Dallas, now that puts the Suns/Lakers/Mavs as RE-UPPING for these play-offs, if someone wants to take a shot at these guys(Denver, SA, Utah, Houston etc) then Ron's value just jumped up even more, as well as Bibby's. Kidd being dealt means Bibby's the Best PG available via trade(with the right asking price).

Petrie pulling a rabbit out of his hat this deadline would be brilliant.

The problem is that these are some of the few destinations that realistically could have used Ron. Now the number of possibilities has dwindled significantly.

[pillwenney]

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The problem is that these are some of the few destinations that realistically could have used Ron. Now the number of possibilities has dwindled significantly.

But the remaining possibilities now have a higher demand for him.

[SacKingZZZ]

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But the remaining possibilities now have a higher demand for him.

Could be true, and I am sure of the possibilities scratched off the list most of us either a) didn't want to see Ron go there, or b) didn't have too appealing of a package to give.

[ethiosew]

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Don't get me started. After a lifetime of being a hardcore Giants supporter and fan, i know longer give $.02 what they do or how they end up. I'm Done!

we have two of the best young pitchers in the league, that would be something to look forward to at least. But who do we as a kings fan, Spencer Hawes?

[RIPskaterdude]

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we have two of the best young pitchers in the league, that would be something to look forward to at least. But who do we as a kings fan, Spencer Hawes?

Except in the NBA, all it takes is one GREAT player to make a team good (see Jordan/Kobe). You can have an AWESOME pitching staff in MLB, but without any runs...you're ****.