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I think Memphis did a good job, actually-

one thing you guys missed was Marc Gasol. He's not just a name in common with his brother, he's vying for MVP of the spanish league.

Critt, Gasol, 13mill in room(most in the league for them now), and 2 #1's

i think that's pretty good. They'll likely get a top 3 lottery pick, a low #1 this year, and come in next year with 4 young talented players and a Major FA if they choose to spend the money this offseason instead of holding on to it, which would allow them to make a trade with any team they want to absorb a big contract and name.

Pop is bitter, and he should be because while dangerous, his team is aging fast and looking down the barrel of Twin towers and Kobe Bryant with Odom as a role player with major talent.

If you become a GM of a basketball team, please trade with the Blazers or Pacers. When it comes to trades, ending up with the best player determines who benefits. It is highly unlikely anyone obtained by the Griz are going to be as valuable as Pau. Trading multiple C level players does not equal an A level player.

Heard a pretty good line on the Jim Rome show, but cannot remember who said it. He said that if there is a trade committee that overseas bad trades, there also should be a draft committee that stops things like SA getting Tim Duncan when they already had David Robinson.

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Umm they do have an NBA Title to show for it, something that we don't have. And I am not sure I agree Detroit is a title rich franchise as they have won 3 in 50 years.

Yes, we have nothing. Titles are very hard to get.

Being critical because they only won one championship? How about the fact they do not have a NY style payroll or MVP type player, but won a championship.

Most teams would have been devestated if they lost someone like Grant Hill. He turned it into Ben Wallace and Atkins.

He got Prince very late in the draft.

He was smart enought to know Stackhouse was a stat hog and traded him for Hamilton.

Made the coaching change from Rick to Larry Brown.

He is not perfect, but there is a very short list of more accomplished GM's.

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Yes, we have nothing. Titles are very hard to get.

Being critical because they only won one championship? How about the fact they do not have a NY style payroll or MVP type player, but won a championship.

Most teams would have been devestated if they lost someone like Grant Hill. He turned it into Ben Wallace and Atkins.

He got Prince very late in the draft.

He was smart enought to know Stackhouse was a stat hog and traded him for Hamilton.

Made the coaching change from Rick to Larry Brown.

He is not perfect, but there is a very short list of more accomplished GM's.

Right. He had lots of early success no doubt about that but recently has made alot of mistakes and his team is in stand still for years now. In a weak eastern conference they havn't been that much of a power. Look at us, we might even make the playoffs. At 21-30! Let's start throwing out props to Larry Bird too for a great job done.

Dumars has the title and will be known as a very good GM and made good choices early on, but recently he's done nothing to improve his team and won't be considered "great". Noone is saying he's bad or horrible, i'm just saying he isn't "great".

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CF- What did ATL receive for Sheed? It's not so much what Portland got in return for him.

As far as Dumars, he was making all kinds of moves for disgruntled veterans ( Rip & Billups) and somehow managed to get the best of Orlando ( Ben Wallace). Joe threw a lot and everything stuck, he was very fortunate.

I don't doubt his eye for talent, minus the Darko mishap he has done a great job of maintaining a competitive roster. This is the same reason many consider(ed) Walsh a genius.

Great? .... not quite there yet, but he is headed in the right direction.

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If you become a GM of a basketball team, please trade with the Blazers or Pacers. When it comes to trades, ending up with the best player determines who benefits. It is highly unlikely anyone obtained by the Griz are going to be as valuable as Pau. Trading multiple C level players does not equal an A level player.

Heard a pretty good line on the Jim Rome show, but cannot remember who said it. He said that if there is a trade committee that overseas bad trades, there also should be a draft committee that stops things like SA getting Tim Duncan when they already had David Robinson.

I think it's safe to say the Grizz weren't in the market for a single talent. Shaq, Marion... whoever wouldn't have helped them. They wanted to: Tank to get in running for #1, get multiple young players, and create as much cap room as possible. Also Javaris and Marc Gasol might both be pretty studly. Critt has a bright future for sure and will either outplay the other guards on their roster or be moved for something of value later. Don't sleep on Crittenton.

I remember that Spurs maneuver... Pops should too, but he's more stressed that they are fading fast. Maybe they will again next year.

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CF- What did ATL receive for Sheed? It's not so much what Portland got in return for him.

Atlanta knew that Wallace was not going to resign. Getting a #1 is about all they could expect. Remember, they got him for two overpaid underperformers in SAR and Ratliff. It was not as if they had mortgaged the franchise to get him.

Part of being a good GM is having the necessary pieces to trade when opportunity presents itself. It was no accident that Ainge had exactly what the T-Wolves were looking for when they finally moved KG. It was our managements fault that we did not get Rasheed Wallace.

Do you really think that no team would have traded an expiring for Al Harrington or Jon Bender?

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^^ My point about Sheed going to Detroit is that they got him for a late first rounder. I'm familiar with the fact Sheed's trade value was substantially lower because of his attitude. We've been through it with Ron, Jax & currently Tinsley.

Still Portland received good players, but they were forced to take on guaranteed salary. Much like we did with Golden State.

The real collusion didn't start until ATL moved him to Detroit, because if I remember correctly it wasn't a three-team deal. Almost everyone has agreed that a late first is worthless. The only conclusion is that this was a very shady deal.

What LA had to give to obtain Pau came at a much higher price.

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Detroit gave up two #1's because they had to give one to Boston and then one to Atlanta to make this deal. If Wallace had walked, they would have paid two #1's for forty games. As a franchise, the Pistons should have had an advantage in not giving out big contracts to players that underperformed (Croshere, Pollard, and Bender).

Just as Chicago trading Brad Miller/Ron Artest to us or when another team signs a big name free agent, the Wallace trade was not collusion.

Again, do you really think we could not have come up with a better offer? [you keep dodging this question] I am guessing some team would have loved to have a combination of Bender, Artest, or Harrington at that time. If Atlanta did not, we could have gotten another team involved so that the Hawks recieved 2 #1's in order to make the deal.

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First of all, did we want Sheed when he was available? I wouldn't then and not now. He's a good player, but I don't think he'd fit here.

Dumars has done very well for himself. What mistakes has he made? He has a team that is a perennial Finals contender. He has a title. He got rid of Ben Wallace at the right time. He has a team that will at least make the ECF if not the Finals this year. The recent acquisitions of guys like Afflalo, Stuckey (who a lot of people still doubt), Maxiell, Amir Johnson, and Hayes has replenished his bench.

I'll admit he should've left C-Webb alone, and sholuld've rebuilt his bench a couple of years back, but he still has one of the most well-respected franchises in sports right now. They play the right way, they defend like crazy, and they don't go around shooting up people, doing drugs, have domestic disputes, or anything like that (I think). I don't like some of his players, but I like the way they play.

If anything, Dumars has learned from the few mistakes he's made and has only gotten stronger b/c of it. Except Prince, most of the major pieces on that team were traded for by him, and his last couple of drafts have produced strong players for their system. They're gonna be under the tax limit, have proven veterans, and will be a top 3 team in the East for at least 3 more seasons. Dumars is sorely underrated as a GM.

P.S. Popovich? Shut the F$%# UP!!!!

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First of all, did we want Sheed when he was available? I wouldn't then and not now. He's a good player, but I don't think he'd fit here.

I thought at the time that Rasheed would have been a bad fit, but look differently at it now.

1. If we would have gotten Rasheed, we beat the Pistons and have a very good chance at winning a championship. Even if for only half a season, it would have been worth it for him not to be a Piston and to get a ring.

2. While he is a hot head, it cannot be any worse than the antics we got with Ron-Ron, Jack, and to a lesser extent Tinsley. With JO and Reggie as spokesman, they could have taken the spotlight away from him. It would still be a train wreck, but better than our nuclear explosion.

3. Even if we had let him walk, the salary reduction would have let us take advantage of other opportunities. Atlanta was in a severe disadvantage in that they could not take back salary. Our hands would not have been tied.

I guarantee that if Bird/Walsh/Walsh's got a do-over, they definitely would have traded a combination of Al, Ron, and/or Jon for Rasheed.

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I don't like Sheed as a person, but I do like the way he plays. I seriously don't think that both he and RonRon could've survived together on one team. Talk about the Bad Boys, it would've been the Malace at the Palace every practice w/ those two jokers. Hindsight is 20/20, and I probably would've risked it, but very few think of Sheed now as they did back then.

Another trade that we could've (and should've) made was the one for T-Mac when he was available. JO, TMac, and Reggie would've defeated Detroit as well, and could've been a really dangerous Big 3 until Reggie's retirement. That's the deal I wished we would've made. I think they wanted a combo of Bender, Al, Artest, and Tinsley for Tracy.

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As a franchise, the Pistons should have had an advantage in not giving out big contracts to players that underperformed (Croshere, Pollard, and Bender).

I definitely agree here. The Pistons seem to know when it is time to let somebody go before their value diminishes. They never handcuff themselves to players who aren't tradeable.

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They're front office is definitely similar to that of the Patriots in football. They just don't win as many titles (probably b/c they don't tape the other team's walkthrough before the big games)...