Chicago / Cleveland trade

[BOBBA LUI]

Hello Cavalier Board,
I'm from Chicago, and I can say we have a problem over here. We are not winning like we were expected to, but whats really hurting us is a stupid coach who is giving entiltlement minutes to vets and not developing our young guys.

That is why I want to see the Bulls clean house, so this is what I'm thinking:

Chicago Trades
PF/C Ben Wallace
PF Joe Smith
SG JamesOn Curry

Cleveland Trades
SG Larry Hughes
PF Drew Gooden

This trade does not afffect your chances of signing Lebron in 2010 since Wallace will be off the books right before that offseason. However making this move solidifies you at PF defensively since Wallace is a 4/5 player and offensively w/ a former #1 draft pick in Joe Smith. Alongside Ilgauskas & Varejoa, Wallace & Smith give you guys a dynamic backcourt.

Larry Hughes is thrown in just to make the salaries work, but JamesOn Curry is our Rookie SG who's been developing as a star in the D-League. He can provide the shooting touch that you lose in Hughes.

All in all, this move shows Lebron that ownership is serious about keeping him and building around him. What do you Cleveland fans thinks?

[rjgraca]

No. this move doesn't impress Lebron.

Hughes has been playing better than Wallace lately and plays some PG.

Gooden is much more useful to the CAVs then Curry or Smith.

CAVs don't bite unless Kirk Hinrich is involved. The CAVs need a starting quality PG that can shoot and this deal does nothing to help that end.

[TheOUTLAW]

There really is nothing about this deal that is beneficial to the Cavaliers

[BOBBA LUI]

I was under the impression that Gibson was developing into your PG, so I gave no consideration to that filling that need.

By the way, Joe Smith is much better than Gooden both in skills and basketball IQ.

[CzBoobie]

I was under the impression that Gibson was developing into your PG, so I gave no consideration to that filling that need.

By the way, Joe Smith is much better than Gooden both in skills and basketball IQ.

He is also like two hundred years older...This is just terrible deal for the Cavs, no way they would do this.

[Baseline Runner]

This trade is a complete joke. You would have to give us value to take Wallaces' ridiculous contract off your hands, like packaging Heinrich, Gordon or draft picks. Yet you want us to trade two key players for him. LOLOL

[Uncooked]

Wallace...do not want.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

If it's Hinrich or Gordon package with Wallace, fine. This package? No.

[heathmalc]

As everyone here has already said, we don't want any part of Wallace unless we are getting your 1st round pick (unprotected) this year.

As for your statement that Joe Smith is a better PF than Drew Gooden, that is just BS! If YOU believed that, then why are you trying to trade for a lesser player? Eh...yeah.

And unlike a few other Cavs fans on this board, I am not interested in Hinrich either. He is a good PG, but he isn't what we need. Kirk is a decent shooter and good defender, but I want someone that other defenses fear. Kirk is someone opposing teams respect, but he doesn't scare anyone. In addition to what I already said, LeBron is the best PG we will ever have...I don't care what position he's listed at...the offense goes through him.

So, this is what I propose:

We will keep Larry Hughes since you said he is just a "throw-in" to make salaries match, and you can keep your great Joe Smith, and your SG who is supposedly gonna do wonders when he gets out of the D-League. Instead of Larry, we will send you Eric Snow and Ira Newble with Drew Gooden. In-addition, we'll give you our 2008 1st round pick.

You will send us Wallace and his crappy contract, and Ben Gordon.

You get Drew, who gives you the post-player you guys so badly need. You get Ira Newble's expiring contract, but get to use him and his defensive abilities for the remainder of the year, and you get Eric Snow, who will bring a true leader to a leader-less team, will bring a defensive stopper, and he becomes an expiring contract next year. In-addition, you get our #1 pick this year.

So basically you get to dump Wallace on us, and we give you Drew gooden, a couple rental-players and a first-round pick for Gordon, who is a problem for you guys anyway.

Lets get this deal done.

[zmac-]

Check out Larrys numbers (since having him in my sig).
We could almost trade him straight up for J Kidd as opposed to these no namer players.

[Tommy Udo 6]

The Op's idea is not reflective of most posters on Bulls Board

As for this:

"You get Drew, who gives you the post-player you guys so badly need. You get Ira Newble's expiring contract, but get to use him and his defensive abilities for the remainder of the year, and you get Eric Snow, who will bring a true leader to a leader-less team, will bring a defensive stopper, and he becomes an expiring contract next year. In-addition, you get our #1 pick this year.

So basically you get to dump Wallace on us, and we give you Drew gooden, a couple rental-players and a first-round pick for Gordon, who is a problem for you guys anyway.

Lets get this deal done."

The trade above does work in Trade Checker & I personally would do it.
Feel free to post it on Bulls Forum. I think it will be well received by most of the regular Bulls fans.

[kiwibrindle]

Are you nuts? Your "on air" morning ESPN hosts on 1000 AM do nothing in Chitown but bitch about having small guards that do not play dee and Wallace's contract. I agree with those two idoits.

Clevland says no to the last idea. Gordan defenses no one and Wallace's contract blows.

After all the Jordan years, Chicago desires to suck. Good luck with your current roster. The current effort your seeing is almost as bad as the Knicks.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Are you nuts? Your "on air" morning ESPN hosts on 1000 AM do nothing in Chitown but bitch about having small guards that do not play dee and Wallace's contract. I agree with those two idoits.

Clevland says no to the last idea. Gordan defenses no one and Wallace's contract blows.

After all the Jordan years, Chicago desires to suck. Good luck with your current roster. The current effort your seeing is almost as bad as the Knicks.

Why are you yelling at me? I'm only agreeing to a trade proposal

I certainly know that the Bulls are sucking & I never implied otherwise.

However Gordon does attempt to play defense & he is not nearly as bad at it as you think. However, he certainly is not an elite defender

Notice my signature. John Paxson is not a "trader" The last Bulls trade of any kind was with Cleve in 2006 - and his last in-season trade was in 2003 (Jalen Rose to Toronto). So it's not like Bulls fans are expecting him to actually make a trade.

[TheOUTLAW]

There is no reason to beat up on people that post reasonable trades and are doing it respectfully. We're better than that on this board (or at least I'd like to think we are).

Strangely enough, I think that Gordon would be a decent fit on our team if Hughes is still running the point. It gives us another guy that can score the ball. I do wonder however if it's rearranging in the furniture in a burning house. It is possible that we are just fundamentally flawed without a real point guard or more dominant big men.

[kiwibrindle]

Sorry, my apologies.

I just figured your post was from a Chicago troll. Many times Chicago - Cleveland suggested trades are difficult subjects to discuss and always one sided.

I still would not commit to your suggested trade.

After the almost trade between the Mavs and the Nets yesterday, I'm totally confused at what makes sense anymore.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Sorry, my apologies.

I just figured your post was from a Chicago troll. Many times Chicago - Cleveland suggested trades are difficult subjects to discuss and always one sided.

I still would not commit to your suggested trade.

After the almost trade between the Mavs and the Nets yesterday, I'm totally confused at what makes sense anymore.

Accepted - but I never even proposed a trade. I just agreed to one that someone (a Cav fan) proposed.

I would not have thought Cleve would be interested in Gordon or Wallace - but the trade proposal made sense if Cavs wanted those guys.

[BOBBA LUI]

The whole goal of the original post was to get rid of Wallace for our youth movement to start already. I still stand by the my statement that Smith is an upgrade(though an older upgrade). Gooden is decent but sloppy with the ball. And yes I too am for trading Gordon but for some size though.

(Joe Smith & Drew Gooden aside)

How does this deal look:

Chicago Trades: Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon

Cleveland Trades: Larry Hughes, Eric Snow, Ira Newble

Veterans like Hughes and Snow give our guys Thabo, Kirk & Duhon support and experience.

Wallace is an excellent weak side defender at PF but we play him out of position at center. That's probably why he's not as efficient in our system. Gordon is money with the drive and kick, we just don't have a player to consistantly exploit that part of his game. With a team like Cleveland, I can say with certainty that Lebron's assist numbers will see a nice increase with Gordon lurking at your perimenter.

Is this trade more reasonable?

[L&H_05]

Yes, it is more reasonable..However, I don't think any Cavs fan really wants Ben Wallace on the roster...

Our goal is to have money sooner to put more pieces around LBJ... Wallace's deal runs a year longer than Larry's.. And although Gordon would be a nice player to team with LeBron, I'm just not sure he provides what this team is looking for on the defensive side of the court considering he's basically a 6-2, 6-3 SG in a PG's body...

We already view Hughes' contract as a killer, I can only imagine the thoughts from the fans in adding a guy who's contract runs longer..

I personally do not view the Bulls as a match in terms of trading partners..

[BOBBA LUI]

Both Wallace and Hughes are off the books after 2009/10. The only difference is Wallace is 14 mil while Hughes is 12 mil. Wallace still has legs he just has no desire. A change of scenery and a star player would most likely refresh this former 4-time defensive player of the year.

[TheOUTLAW]

The whole goal of the original post was to get rid of Wallace for our youth movement to start already. I still stand by the my statement that Smith is an upgrade(though an older upgrade). Gooden is decent but sloppy with the ball. And yes I too am for trading Gordon but for some size though.

(Joe Smith & Drew Gooden aside)

How does this deal look:

Chicago Trades: Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon

Cleveland Trades: Larry Hughes, Eric Snow, Ira Newble

Veterans like Hughes and Snow give our guys Thabo, Kirk & Duhon support and experience.

Wallace is an excellent weak side defender at PF but we play him out of position at center. That's probably why he's not as efficient in our system. Gordon is money with the drive and kick, we just don't have a player to consistantly exploit that part of his game. With a team like Cleveland, I can say with certainty that Lebron's assist numbers will see a nice increase with Gordon lurking at your perimenter.

Is this trade more reasonable?

Gordon only makes sense for the Cavs if Hughes is running the point. Otherwise he becomes a huge liability on defense as an undersized shooting guard. It only works if there's some height on the floor as the pg.