OT: Simmons weighs in on the Diesel Moving to PHO

[thebossman]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3243576]Everybody is down on the Shaq deal. Guess what?
Everybody is wrong.[/url]

Well, Kerr didn't care what anyone might think. He spent three months watching his Suns play joyless, businesslike basketball and be abused by every quality low-post scorer. Everyone else on the team seemed beaten down by having to cater to Marion and Amar

[thebossman]

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[Shaazzam]

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[thebossman]

one thing i found about the shaq trade is that its more than oncourt presence, its the confidence he brings. Now you just feel that the SUNS CAN win.. not could they win it?... there is more confidence around that team and that comes with being diesel powered.

This is something the raps need, a player who radiates confidence. When he comes our mentality shifts from "we can win this game" to "We will WIN this game"

sorry to derail ...article is a really good read

People are soo quick to judge the trade but playing with Nash will make Shaq good again,

Having Amare no longer bruising with centers will:
1- improve his offence (taking on weaker PF)
2- defence intesity
ALL BECAUSE of MORE ENERGY

I Cant wait until #32 suits up!


EDIT: O yea the standard REALGMer response "What the hell with the ALL CAPS, is ur key board broken? attention whore.. blah blah blah"

[RingItUp!]

one thing i found about the shaq trade is that its more than oncourt presence, its the confidence he brings. Now you just feel that the SUNS CAN win.. not could they win it?... there is more confidence around that team and that comes with being diesel powered.

This is something the raps need, a player who radiates confidence. When he comes our mentality shifts from "we can win this game" to "We will WIN this game"

sorry to derail ...article is goo

I'm not sure.

I think what Simmons is saying is that now the Suns THEMSELVES believe they can win because Shaq is Shaq: he brings confidence, experience, and bolsters his teammates with his demeanour and presence.

I'm not so sure that I believe the Suns are capable yet. First, I'll need to see Shaq in action.

[thebossman]

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I'm not sure.

I think what Simmons is saying is that now the Suns THEMSELVES believe they can win because Shaq is Shaq: he brings confidence, experience, and bolsters his teammates with his demeanour and presence.

I'm not so sure that I believe the Suns are capable yet. First, I'll need to see Shaq in action.

o definitly, I need to see shaq play first aswell, but this is the greatest confidence I have had in the suns ever, I honestly believe this is the best chance they have ever had to win the title.

Shaq will be fine, dont forget if this year is not a ring, this offseason (i know he has been lazy) but HE REALLY REALLY wants a ring, so in the offseason he might, for once, work his tail off loose weight and be in the best shape and come in to the 08-09 season fully fueled.

[LLJ]

one thing i found about the shaq trade is that its more than oncourt presence, its the confidence he brings. Now you just feel that the SUNS CAN win.. not could they win it?... there is more confidence around that team and that comes with being diesel powered.

And then some sucker in the locker room remembers how confident the 9-win team Diesel was traded from was, and doubt begins to creep in...

[thebossman]

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And then some sucker in the locker room remembers how confident the 9-win team Diesel was traded from was, and doubt begins to creep in...

remember Randy Moss... played crap on the raiders cuz they sucked. Came to Patriots camp and set a number of records.

Shaq only has 1 or 2 years left (if that much) and you really think he is going to kill himself for a crap team like Miami? Honestly even with shaq going crazy night in night out, an semi healthy wade -Miami is not beating anyone of Boston, Det or whoever comes out from the west to win the title. So shaq in December asked for a buyout, sat tight, rested until it happened.

[Shaazzam]

one thing i found about the shaq trade is that its more than oncourt presence, its the confidence he brings. Now you just feel that the SUNS CAN win.. not could they win it?... there is more confidence around that team and that comes with being diesel powered.

This is something the raps need, a player who radiates confidence. When he comes our mentality shifts from "we can win this game" to "We will WIN this game"

sorry to derail ...article is a really good read

People are soo quick to judge the trade but playing with Nash will make Shaq good again,

Having Amare no longer bruising with centers will:
1- improve his offence (taking on weaker PF)
2- defence intesity
ALL BECAUSE of MORE ENERGY

I Cant wait until #32 suits up!


EDIT: O yea the standard REALGMer response "What the hell with the ALL CAPS, is ur key board broken? attention whore.. blah blah blah"

LOL Did you put this in after or before I changed the title? To answer I simply cut and pasted the title of the article, hehe. I know you're just busting my chops.

But, I for one, like the trade they had their shot last year and depending on your interpretation of events, they blew it. They needed to make a deal just to shake things up, for the some of the same reasons many are saying that Dallas needs to change the structure of their team.

The first thing that popped in my head when the Shaq deal went through, actually I mentioned it some friends of mine before hand was to put Shaq with a bunch of greyhounds on MIA and it will be like what Showtime did with Kareem. I just didn't know the greyhounds would be in PHO.

He'll provide PHO with the ability to play different styles, just like SA does.

I still like the Lakers though. I'm a Jackson mark.

[ghuytro]

If the basketball gods exist, Shaq will find the fountain of youth in the desert instead of a fountain of gravy.

[RingItUp!]

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remember Randy Moss... played crap on the raiders cuz they sucked. Came to Patriots camp and set a number of records.

Shaq only has 1 or 2 years left (if that much) and you really think he is going to kill himself for a crap team like Miami? Honestly even with shaq going crazy night in night out, an semi healthy wade -Miami is not beating anyone of Boston, Det or whoever comes out from the west to win the title. So shaq in December asked for a buyout, sat tight, rested until it happened.

After Riley came out and mentioned the buyout request and the overtures starting in December, the Shaq-was-resting scenario became more believable.

Not to say I didn't think it was a possibility before, but it actually seemed likely after Riley spoke up about how this didn't happen overnight.

[LLJ]

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remember Randy Moss... played crap on the raiders cuz they sucked. Came to Patriots camp and set a number of records.

Shaq only has 1 or 2 years left (if that much) and you really think he is going to kill himself for a crap team like Miami? Honestly even with shaq going crazy night in night out, an semi healthy wade -Miami is not beating anyone of Boston, Det or whoever comes out from the west to win the title. So shaq in December asked for a buyout, sat tight, rested until it happened.

Shaq has been on a downward decline since the beginning of the 2005 playoffs. That was the year they WON the title, remember? He had an awful playoff series, one of his worst statistically.

If he couldn't get revved up that year, what makes you think he'll regain his "old" form 2 years later?

[thebossman]

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Shaq has been on a downward decline since the beginning of the 2005 playoffs. That was the year they WON the title, remember? He had an awful playoff series, one of his worst statistically.

If he couldn't get revved up that year, what makes you think he'll regain his "old" form 2 years later?

Simple: Steve Nash

Let me ask you this.. Has Mr.Oneil ever played with this kind of talent before, (Gary n Karl dont count, they were severyly declined in LA). He has never played with a top PG (as the article said) and he has a top 5 PF/C in Amare, Great Defender in Raja, Future Hall of Famer in Hill (did you see him yesterday - he is playing great basketball)

At the very worst Shaq will guard the other teams bruiser, this free's up Amare to ABUSE the opponents PF.

PHX vs. Dal Who guards Amare? Before Dampier got the honors, okay so dampier is on Amare, Dirk on Shaq? Dirk will be out of the game in 4 minutes. Maybe Dallas changes it up, Dirk on Amare, Amare will DESTROY Dirk.

People are really underestimating (or im overestimating) how much this trade will help Amare to play EVEN BETTER at the PF spot.

[thebossman]

LOL Did you put this in after or before I changed the title? To answer I simply cut and pasted the title of the article, hehe. I know you're just busting my chops.

Hahaha Ye im just joking around. I actually put it in before you changed the title.

He'll provide PHO with the ability to play different styles, just like SA does.

I couldnt agree more, When the suns are playing GSW (like last night) ye sure shaq wont get alot of burn, but against Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio he will be good.

Im really excited about the opportunity for the suns. There my Favourite non raptor team hahah..

[inrapscity]

i'm much less critical of Shaq trade than Kidd (possible) trade.

Shaq actually gives the Suns a big man to go against opposing big mans like Yao, TD and KG (if Suns reach the Finals and Boston is there in the Finals).

[LLJ]

Nash is certainly great at making people score better at a higher %, but Shaq wasn't brought there to score. Can Nash "make" him rebound and defend better? Shaq can barely move laterally anymore. I grant you his defence is still probably better than Amare's (who's just awful defensively now no matter what position you put him in) but the Phoenix team can't be compared to San Antonio since it's specifically constructed to play at a high tempo.

[RingItUp!]

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I couldnt agree more, When the suns are playing GSW (like last night) ye sure shaq wont get alot of burn, but against Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio he will be good.

Im really excited about the opportunity for the suns. There my Favourite non raptor team hahah..

Me too.

Nash and Shaq on the same team? That's gold. They're both, imo, such likable players. Nash is terrific and Shaq is hilarious.

[miruss2001]

That Jeff Ross reference is so true... just check out the celebrity roast of William Shatner to see why... freakin hilarious.

[RingItUp!]

Nash is certainly great at making people score better at a higher %, but Shaq wasn't brought there to score. Can Nash "make" him rebound and defend better? Shaq can barely move laterally anymore. I grant you his defence is still probably better than Amare's (who's just awful defensively now no matter what position you put him in) but the Phoenix team can't be compared to San Antonio since it's specifically constructed to play at a high tempo.

These are all the reasons I'm concerned.

Was Shaq dogging it to rest up for a playoff run with a contender? Possibly. But that by no means guarantees that he's going to be able to be the force on the glass and in the post, defensively, that they need him to be.

[thebossman]

Nash is certainly great at making people score better at a higher %, but Shaq wasn't brought there to score. Can Nash "make" him rebound and defend better? Shaq can barely move laterally anymore. I grant you his defence is still probably better than Amare's (who's just awful defensively now no matter what position you put him in) but the Phoenix team can't be compared to San Antonio since it's specifically constructed to play at a high tempo.

It what sense do you mean they cant be compared to San Antonio?
Meaning that they wont win a championship, or saying San Antonio is on a different level? I dont understand