Boone vs. Bargnani

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Who is the better basketball player?

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Andrea Bargnani
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Post#141 » by stopnpop » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:46 am

Serpo wrote:maybe you should add the fact of the Jason Kidd trade rumour going on and Kidd and 2 other guys not dressing cause of it .

Seriously this game was lost for the Nets even before it startetd.


if you read one of my posts on pg 11, i made a point of it to highlight kidd's role in boone's production...so that point is moot....also, this thread does not concern the game, but BOONE and Bargs...and the team would have lost if the other guys (not kidd) dressed as well.....I know it is a huge waste of time to read the entire thread when so many posts have been submitted, but you should read the last few pages so u dont miss vital info...and i agree the nets were elsewhere tonight
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Post#142 » by Toxicity » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:06 am

Boone... what a player... :rofl:

He's basically useless without Kidd on offense... he can score just off a teammate assist under the basket... and no rebs... wow!

Bargs played GREAT difense (both 1vs1 and help) and boxed his man out well (if you have watched the game, you know what we mean saying Delfino and Moon "steal" the rebs from him)... and finished with +30 of plus/minus (2nd best in his team).

We can quit with this comparison...
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Post#143 » by Kabookalu » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:05 am

At this point I don't care who's better, just please stop bumping up this topic after every game the Raptors play...it's like that Yi vs. Bargs thread where after every Bucks and Raptors game they would comment on that game's performance.
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Post#144 » by HeyIt'sMe » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:14 pm

They're both terrible.
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Post#145 » by AGGiE » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:08 pm

Unfortunately for the sophomores, the assistant coaches decided to add Andrea Bargnani to the team. Across the first half of the 2007-08 season, Bargnani was the least productive player in the league. His addition reduces the average WP48 to 0.088, a mark consistent with a 36 win NBA team.

With Bargnani on the team, the edge the sophomores should enjoy over the rookies is greatly reduced. Certainly the sophomores should be favored, but the margin is not quite what it was last year.


When we look at the sophomores, Josh Boone and Kyle Lowry certainly could have expected a call. The omission of Boone is especially interesting. Boone is above average. He has also played nearly as many minutes as Bargnani. Yet Bargnani is going and Boone is staying home.


Why was Bargnani chosen over Boone? One suspects two forces at work. First better scorers are probably chosen first. And by
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Post#146 » by tsherkin » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 pm

That's an interesting article; the comparison between Bargnani, Durant and Morrison is intriguing but highly unflattering.

Also, while it's been mentioned, it bears repeating:

Boone is averaging 7.8 ppg and 6.8 rpg on the season in 24 mpg over 46 games but in his 29 starts, he's averaging 10.2 ppg and 8.5 rpg in 30 mpg.

His per-minute rebounding average didn't change significantly between his overall seasonal average and his average as a starter, just around 10.2 RBD/36, which is fantastic production.

He's a VASTLY superior rebounder to Bargnani and, unlike a guy like Reggie Evans or Danny Fortson, he's actually got some iso skills. Not many, he's no Kaman or whomever, but he's got more offensive potential than specialist rebounders like the undersized Fortson and Evans (not to rip on them, I'd kill to have Reggie Evans on the Raptors, personally).

Bargnani is a vastly superior free throw shooter, though he doesn't draw many, and obviously a vastly superior set shooter from range (not just from 3, really from 15 feet and out, period). It's under the foul line, where Bargs is mostly incompetent and Boone is not, that things change.

Bargs is everything you don't want out of a seven footer... Boone is everything you expect from a seven-footer, including the poor FT shooting though it bears mentioning that his FT% is unduely effected by two ESPECIALLY bad months in November and December. He's shooting about 62% so far in the 8 games he's played in February and he shot over his seasonal average in January as well (though it was still a godawful Big Ben/Shaq-esque percentage just under 42%).

Ironically, he shoots worse from the line the more rest he has between games; 50% on the rear end of back-to-backs over 9 games, about 38-39% on 1 or 2 days rest, and 25% on 3+ days of rest. Odd.

Anyhow, Boone's free throw difficulties are of smaller concern compared to Bargs' rebounding, his lack of serious iso skills, his weak help D, etc. Berri was right to question Bargs' selection to the Rookie/Sophmore game over Boone and others because Bargs has been crap for much of this year and doesn't deserve to go to New Orleans.
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Post#147 » by jzmagik » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:25 pm

So I went and talked with some friends who were huge Raptor fans and said they would trade Bargs for Boone in an instant. Take it for what it's worth people :)
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Post#148 » by T-Spot » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:35 am

One (new) conclusion can be drawn from the Nets vs Raps game.

NJ fans have to be overrating Boone's D. It was weak.

Bargs helped on R.J a few times pretty well, (and he also skooled Marcus Williams, on D once) and I remember early in the game where he bodied up on RJ and forced RJ to chuck it right in to Bosh. Bosh swatted it bad.
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Post#149 » by WesWesley » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:42 am

jzmagik wrote:So I went and talked with some friends who were huge Raptor fans and said they would trade Bargs for Boone in an instant. Take it for what it's worth people :)


It's worth nothing, so i'll take it for that. :lol:
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Post#150 » by kandiking » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:35 am

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Post#151 » by Toxicity » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:21 am

I don't think any GM would trade Bargnani for Boone... i mean, it's called ceiling. Boone is limited: you know what he gives and you know what he'll give you. Bargnani has another kind of potential (that's why he was picked 1st overall) and he's just in his 2nd NBA year (he's also younger than Boone): it's not a sure thing that he'll become what we hope but he has a single chance, at least. I don't wanna bash Boone who is a useful team player but i don't think you'll find a lot of people considering this ipotetical trade...

Bargs has put 25 on Rasheed Wallace, 20+7+7 on Garnett and 28 on Odom: not many 7 footers in this league has that kind of potential when matched with such elite PFs...
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Post#152 » by Kabookalu » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:35 pm

Toxicity wrote:I don't think any GM would trade Bargnani for Boone... i mean, it's called ceiling. Boone is limited: you know what he gives and you know what he'll give you. Bargnani has another kind of potential (that's why he was picked 1st overall) and he's just in his 2nd NBA year (he's also younger than Boone): it's not a sure thing that he'll become what we hope but he has a single chance, at least. I don't wanna bash Boone who is a useful team player but i don't think you'll find a lot of people considering this ipotetical trade...

Bargs has put 25 on Rasheed Wallace, 20+7+7 on Garnett and 28 on Odom: not many 7 footers in this league has that kind of potential when matched with such elite PFs...


Yeah it really makes me wonder who these Raptors fans are that jzmagik claims they'd want Boone over Bargnani. Of course I've seen the "yeah I spoke to my friend..." bull**** argument before and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just that.
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Post#153 » by Nothingface » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:08 pm

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Yeah it really makes me wonder who these Raptors fans are that jzmagik claims they'd want Boone over Bargnani. Of course I've seen the "yeah I spoke to my friend..." bull**** argument before and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just that.


Whats funnier, jzmagik saying he has Raptor fan friends who would prefer Boone over Bargnani, or just the claim that he has friends? :rofl:
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Post#154 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:09 pm

Nothingface wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Whats funnier, jzmagik saying he has Raptor fan friends who would prefer Boone over Bargnani, or just the claim that he has friends? :rofl:


Hey now, attack the post, not the poster.

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