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Post#81 » by SpeedyG » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:11 pm

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The issue is that if he gives up Early-Bird status for next year, he's not likely to get more than the vet. minimum from anyone, because he's not the kind of player teams will dip into their MLE to sign.

If he maintains early-bird status, though, he could easily get $2-3M next year from someone wanting a veteran wing defender and spot-shooter with championship experience (like the Mavs did when they brought him in), most likely through a S &T with the Mavs (or to stay in Dallas, although that's highly unlikely now). Since he's on the wrong sid eof 30, the next season or two are probably the last chances he'll have to earn more than the minimum no matter what, so giving up his best chance for a few extra million this summer is a very real blow.

He and Bartlestein area already backtracking, though, so I expect that he'll eventually relent and allow this to happen as agreed upon. Good thing for Dallas that they finalized this with some time to spare before the deadline, though. If they had hit this snag on deadline day, it would have killed it completely...


I think they'll realize he's not going to make that much and agree to this deal. Matt Barnes essentially plays the same role as George, is younger, and had a much better year last year and couldn't find any takers.
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Post#82 » by LA_33 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:32 pm

SpeedyG wrote:I think they'll realize he's not going to make that much and agree to this deal. Matt Barnes essentially plays the same role as George, is younger, and had a much better year last year and couldn't find any takers.


But what do you mean by "not make that much"? As I said, I think a S & T, (possibly as a guy who cashes in as salary filler if Dallas needs an MLE-level contract to complete a trade for a bigger-name player) is the only way George can get more than the veteran minimum next year. But I don't see why it's an impossibility that someone would give him $2-3M in a scenario like that, rather than the $1.2M he's likely to max out at as a true, non-bird FA.

If the Mavs tell him they won't help him use his bird rights to get a bigger deal via S & T if he blocks, this, of course, it's all the same difference, but Cuban should be very careful about pissing off an agent with as many NBA clients as Bertelstein. This guy has a LOT of clout in NBA player circles, and NBA players and their agents have far more control over player movement than most people realize. Getting on a major agent's bad side is a terrible idea is such a small league.
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Post#83 » by SpeedyG » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:59 pm

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But what do you mean by "not make that much"? As I said, I think a S & T, (possibly as a guy who cashes in as salary filler if Dallas needs an MLE-level contract to complete a trade for a bigger-name player) is the only way George can get more than the veteran minimum next year. But I don't see why it's an impossibility that someone would give him $2-3M in a scenario like that, rather than the $1.2M he's likely to max out at as a true, non-bird FA.

If the Mavs tell him they won't help him use his bird rights to get a bigger deal via S & T if he blocks, this, of course, it's all the same difference, but Cuban should be very careful about pissing off an agent with as many NBA clients as Bertelstein. This guy has a LOT of clout in NBA player circles, and NBA players and their agents have far more control over player movement than most people realize. Getting on a major agent's bad side is a terrible idea is such a small league.


I just don't think teams will have that kind of interest in George. Let's say that he does have early bird rights and the team who has it (in this case, Dallas) can go over the cap to sign him to that $2-3M that the other team is willing to give him.

Basically, not only does that other team have to pay him more, they also have to offer compensation to Dallas.
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Post#84 » by GST23 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:07 pm

Sounds like Dallas' GM was asleep at the wheel on this one. A GM has got to be on top of his own players contract situation, like which players have early Bird rights. A competent GM would have consulted with George before announcing this trade.
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Post#85 » by theman » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:53 pm

But George had earlier stated his desire to be traded because he wanted more PT. Perhaps George should have been more aware of his contract situation.
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Post#86 » by rsrjr » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:53 pm

GST23 wrote:Sounds like Dallas' GM was asleep at the wheel on this one. A GM has got to be on top of his own players contract situation, like which players have early Bird rights. A competent GM would have consulted with George before announcing this trade.



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Post#87 » by Heir » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:10 pm

Sofa King wrote:Best thing he ever did for the Lakers.

Are you joking? This would've been a good trade for us.
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Post#88 » by Chi Dynasty12 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:59 pm

Mavs fans know how I feel when Kobe used his veto. stay strong
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Post#89 » by Realmavsman » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:05 pm

GST23 wrote:Sounds like Dallas' GM was asleep at the wheel on this one. A GM has got to be on top of his own players contract situation, like which players have early Bird rights. A competent GM would have consulted with George before announcing this trade.


What are you talking about? The GM never announced anything. In fact the team would never throughout the day admit that there was a trade. And I am quite sure that Donnie Nelson knows who has Bird rights. George stated two weeks ago that he wanted to be traded or receive more playing time. So first off the Mavericks front office did not announce anything and secondly why would they not assume that a guy who wanted a trade two weeks ago would block a trade.
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Post#90 » by ppp000 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:35 am

George is making a good case for himself to be public enemy #1. Even those who are against the trade can't deny this guy's ridiculousness.

First he complains to the media about wanting to be traded for more PT. Now he's blocking a trade last minute and talks about his best situation being in Dallas. Then he goes 0-11 when he starts. Then he plays the "victim" card.

Bleh, even if we don't get Kidd, please get rid of this drama queen.
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Post#91 » by studcrackers » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:49 am

The hate this guys receiving is ridiculous, lay off him, im sure he had alot on his mind last night but he's still been playing well since he complained about PT, his shots to inconsistent to depend on consistently, im just fine with the defense and versatility he provides defensively.
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Post#92 » by JES12 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:09 am

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The things George does for this team has nothign to do with his point production. I have been waiting all year for Avery to go back to what worked last year:

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Post#93 » by arkuo » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:06 am

i believe im in the minority here, but yes, george did ask to be traded, george wanted more playing time.. and being traded to new jersey, how much playing time could he get playing behind vince carter and richard jefferson? he couldnt get playing time here in dallas where we didnt have a decent SG and josh howard at SF, i think he would still be getting less minutes in new jersey...
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Post#94 » by kidd0701 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:43 am

As a nets fan, if George did not complain about his PT and stuff, I'd be fine about him vetoing it, i mean it is his right. But come on the guy wants out and gets the opportunity and turns it down.
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Post#95 » by mintsa » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:21 am

This will still get done over the all star break. Both teams cant turn back now. Both there hands have been dealt.
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Post#96 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:28 pm

mintsa wrote:This will still get done over the all star break. Both teams cant turn back now. Both there hands have been dealt.


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