Marcus Williams from the Nets!!!!! GET THE DEAL DONE NOW!!!!

[314gmASTERmind]

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I'm sure the Nets would be falling over themselves to give away Carter without recieving any young talent or picks in return, and to take on the non-expiring contracts of Bogans and Cook well gee, they better throw us a pick...

I am sure a team with an express ticket to the lottery wouldn't want to save 39 million over the next three years. Not to mention the luxury tax. My bad.

[Devin 1L]

Marcus Williams...Yes, the solution to our defense at the point guard.

[TheGlyde]

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I am sure a team with an express ticket to the lottery wouldn't want to save 39 million over the next three years. Not to mention the luxury tax. My bad.

If you don't think they could get a better deal than what you offered for Vince Carter, while still shedding as much or more salary than the deal you proposed, then yes, you are indeed

[BadMofoPimp]

Marcus Williams and Harris can even play on the court together. Neither will be traded. Especially with their cap friendly contracts.

[NEM]

get krstic!

[314gmASTERmind]

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If you don't think they could get a better deal than what you offered for Vince Carter, while still shedding as much or more salary than the deal you proposed, then yes, you are indeed

Name me two other teams that are on the cusp of being a solid playoff performing team that can give up as much cap relief to NJ as we can. They should also have a need for a shooting guard.

[jonskilly]

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lol

Marcus Williams hype is already over, honestly. Don't you think there might be a reason he can't even get minutes ahead of Darrel Armstrong? Would he really be an upgrade for the Magic? I don't believe in that.

JJ

[TheGlyde]

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Name me two other teams that are on the cusp of being a solid playoff performing team that can give up as much cap relief to NJ as we can. They should also have a need for a shooting guard.

Only two?

The Warriors and Wizards could send expiring players for Carter who are much better than the players you offered, neither team is set at SG and it would prevent GSW/WAS from having to worry about losing expirings for nothing, it would also give NJ much more cap relief than taking on Cook and Bogans.

Several other teams could send back an expiring or two with players of more value than you offrered while still reducing NJ's payroll significantly and giving picks.

New Jersey would never, ever, ever trade Vince Carter for the deal you proposed, they would have been better off letting him walk without giving him an extension than taking on Bogans and Cook.

No matter what the state of the Nets team, Vince Carter a) sells tickets and b) has trade value. You don't give away trade value for nothing.

[314gmASTERmind]

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Only two?

The Warriors and Wizards could send expiring players for Carter who are much better than the players you offered, neither team is set at SG and it would prevent GSW/WAS from having to worry about losing expirings for nothing, it would also give NJ much more cap relief than taking on Cook and Bogans.

Several other teams could send back an expiring or two with players of more value than you offrered while still reducing NJ's payroll significantly and giving picks.

New Jersey would never, ever, ever trade Vince Carter for the deal you proposed, they would have been better off letting him walk without giving him an extension than taking on Bogans and Cook.

No matter what the state of the Nets team, Vince Carter a) sells tickets and b) has trade value. You don't give away trade value for nothing.

You make me laugh Golden State is not going to take on any contracts unless its a big man. The are saving money for signing Monta and Biedrins. Not to mention they already have big money locked into Davis. History says that they are notoriously a cheap organization. Hense all the lossing seasons. No way do they take on Carters contract. Also their expiring contracts with maybe and I do mean maybe the exception of Barnes and Pietrus their are atleast as bad of players as those from the magic. So I guess that would be a NO to GS.

On to Washington. Outside of Gil and Jamison they have 3.5 mil in expiring contracts. Need I really go on to the fact you wouldn't trade Gil or Jamison for Carter. In conclusion NO! I say good day.

[TheGlyde]

If you were worried Jamison might walk for nothing you wouldn't move him in a deal for Carter? I certainly would, maybe the Wizards aren't worried about that, I'm saying if they were.

You want to talk about what history says about the Warriors taking on big salares? how exactly did they find themselves with Baron Davis? He was just as big a contract and just as big an injury risk if not moreso than Carter when the Hornets unloaded him.

History says the Magic don't chase all star guys in trades at the dealine.

History says players of Carters caliber aren't dealt for junk.

They are still going to need players to put beside Jefferson and Harris if Kidd is moved, theres talk of him being moved for Jermaine O'Neal, and you want to offer them Brian Cook... okay, sure, I can see it happening.

[314gmASTERmind]

This is the NBA last time I check and guys making 25% cap money almost always resign with their current team. The guys that leave are either taking less money or are under valued by their own team. Thats why Carters, Billups, Webbers, Oneals of the NBA resign. ITS WAY MORE MONEY. Guys who score 20pts a game make big money and Jamison fits that mold along with Gil.

GS traded for Baron when they didnt have much salary on the books at all. They had Dunlevy and Murphy on rookie contracts. The only salary the had was Jason Rich which was in its infancy aka cheaper. Long term is could be considered risky but nearly every nba team would have jumped on it if they had the expiring contract of Old Dale Davis and a under 5 11 pg in Speedy. Seems like a fair trade for a 25 year old 6 3 pg taken 3rd overall in the 1999 draft who could always shoot the lights out.

I do totally agree the Magic do not chase all stars at the deadline and you can see how many championships it has gotten them. Thats the main problem. They shouldnt sit pat and wait. Don't be Clippers. Be bold. And just win baby!

No way Jermaine gets moved before the deadline either. Off season I can absolutly see it. Not in the next week.

[314gmASTERmind]

History says players of Carters caliber aren't dealt for junk.

Examples
Barkley, Iverson, B Davis, Bibby, Shaq, Kidd, Kidd again probably, T-Mac, Marion, Gasol, Ray Allen, R Wallace (2 times in two days), Dominique, Wilt Chamberlain (2 times), those were just some of the players traded in their prime. If you want I could go on.

[lovehoops01]

Wasn't Carter dealt to New Jersey for the contract of Alonzo Mourning (who they had to buy out because he never reported) and two first-round draft picks? I don't see Jersey dealing him here because they made such a public effort to keep the Magic from trying to sign him this past offseason, but apparently Carter has been traded for not a lot in the past.....

[TheGlyde]

This is the NBA last time I check and guys making 25% cap money almost always resign with their current team. The guys that leave are either taking less money or are under valued by their own team. Thats why Carters, Billups, Webbers, Oneals of the NBA resign. ITS WAY MORE MONEY. Guys who score 20pts a game make big money and Jamison fits that mold along with Gil.

Shaq resigned? The only time Shaq has been a free agent he bolted from the Magic. Shaq has been extended since that time, but he has never re-signed with his team after testing free agency, completely different.

How about Ben Wallace? Rashard Lewis? Steve Nash? Their teams probably thought they were locks to resign too since they could offer way more money... they just didn't.

GS traded for Baron when they didnt have much salary on the books at all. They had Dunlevy and Murphy on rookie contracts. The only salary the had was Jason Rich which was in its infancy aka cheaper. Long term is could be considered risky but nearly every nba team would have jumped on it if they had the expiring contract of Old Dale Davis and a under 5 11 pg in Speedy. Seems like a fair trade for a 25 year old 6 3 pg taken 3rd overall in the 1999 draft who could always shoot the lights out.

Golden State are not a huge salary team right now either, if Baron picks up his option that gives them a whopping 7 players under contract next year and a swag of guys they have to either spend money resigning, or trade as expirings for someone better.

Examples
Barkley, Iverson, B Davis, Bibby, Shaq, Kidd, Kidd again probably, T-Mac, Marion, Gasol, Ray Allen, R Wallace (2 times in two days), Dominique, Wilt Chamberlain (2 times), those were just some of the players traded in their prime. If you want I could go on.

I didn't say players of the caliber aren't dealt, I said history shows they arent dealt for junk, ie they arent deal for Brian Cook + expirings.

Barkley demanded a trade out of Philly, thus lowering his value, he was traded for Hornacek (who had been an all star the previous year) and a few others... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Iverson also demanded a trade out of Philly lowering his value, and was traded for Andre Miller who everyone here seems to love, Joe Smith and two first rounders... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Davis was injured and had played only 18 games and did not want to play for the Hornets anymore, there was no way that was his 'prime', he had very low trade value. There was no doubt if he could get healthy the trade was a steal for the Warriors but the Hornets had no choice.

Bibby was traded after his 3rd season, theres no way that was his 'prime'. He was basically traded for Jason Williams who had similar stats and value at that point in their careers... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Shaq was traded for a) Lamar Odom/Caron Bulter/Brian Grant and a 1st when he demanded out and b) Shawn Marion when he was well past his prime... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Kidd has been traded for Michael Finley when he was an All Star + others, then for Stephon Marbury who at the time was a PG of similar caliber, and this time for Devin Harris, Diop and others... all slightly better than Cook + expirings.

T-Mac was traded for Cuttino Mobley and Steve Francis in the prime of his career... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Marion was sick of being in trade rumours and wanted out, lowering his trade value, he was worth more than Shaq, but Shaq is still slightly better than Cook + expirings.

The Gasol trade was pathetic and has been widely ridiculed, but no way do the Griz do it if they have to take on a player of Cook's caliber making 10.5mill over the next 3 seasons.

Ray Allen was also past his prime and still netted Delonte West and Jeff Green... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Rasheed Wallace was shipped out of Portland for Shareef Abdur Rahim (slightly better than Cook + expirings) because he was a headcase, his trade value was low for that reason it was only once he was on the Pistons he really found his niche in the league.

Nique was traded for Danny Manning... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Chaimberlain well I'm not exactly old enough to analyse why he was traded or the value of the guys he was traded for... but I have a suspicion the deals netted something... slightly better than Cook + expirings.

Why don't you go ask the Nets board if they want to trade Carter for Cook/Bogans/expirings...

[314gmASTERmind]

I dont think I ever mentioned shaq. I said Oneal. Sorry for not putting the enough detail. I meant J Oneal. All three the guys you mentioned went back to their orginal team and asked if they wanted to match the offer. Again check the history.

Thank you for proving my point with GS. They dont spend a lot of money and they wont either. Thats why they would not bring Carter in because they will extend Bedris and Monta which puts them right back at the cap. You are absolutly right on that one.

Now I wont go into every objection with my list players because that is a worthless waste of my time and anyone else who reads this board. All of those players were traded for far lesser talent. If you dont believe me show me the Jeff Hornacek wing of the Hall of Fame. I bet JJ will get a spot right next to his.

Also you dont have to give into unhappy players and trade them everytime they demand it. Look at Kobe, Pippen, Pierce, Kirilenko, Iverson (Philly has been great since), again I could go on.

Heres some more players that were trade for scrubs.
Russel, Wilt, Parrish, Kareem, Doc J, all traded for lesser players all got rings.

In closing go ask the Gizz board if they think they got enough for Gasol or if they think they are getting enough for Kidd, or Philly if they got enough for Iverson, or if we got enough for TMac (Everyone is still sore).

[314gmASTERmind]

Did I mention how every team that Garrity is traded from wins the trade?