Best Footwork in the league?

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Post#61 » by horaceworthy » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:39 pm

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I disagree that it was an iffy proposition because he clearly had Yao on a string at that point and, more importantly, in the air after the pump fake before the turnaround hook. All he had to do was go up and lean in and BAM, foul called.

Watch carefully at the 21-24 second mark; he gets Yao moving along the baseline and then fakes him up off his feet... but he doesn't see it because he's committed to turning around for the hook at this point. At :23, Yao is jumping from inside of the restricted zone towards the sideline from which Al originated his move, which means he didn't even have to lean in, he just had to go straight up and that's a blatant and egregious foul on Yao's behalf...

And before you wonder about "star treatment" or anything, not only was it blatant but even this season, Yao gets the shaft from the refs on plays like that. It was a money-in-the-bank scenario but he was turning and didn't see Yao lift off so he couldn't react.

It was a mistake.


He had Yao on a string in that he got him to bite on the fake, but drawing the foul was an iffier proposition than the point blank jump hook. Jefferson would have had to jump away from the basket a bit to draw the contact, and the shot he got for himself was money in the bank. There are certainly other times where Jefferson doesn't do enough to draw contact, but he made the right choice in this instance. Al got himself a wide open shot from inside the restricted zone, right in front of the rim. It was more of a sure thing for that shot to go in than it was for the foul to be called.
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Post#62 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:50 am

Cruel_Ruin wrote:Spencer Hawes has incredibly slick footwork, coupled by the fact that he can score with both hands. Once he improves on his lower-body strength, I think he can be Al Jefferson-like on the block.


Needs to learn how to not suck terribly on D and as a rebounder to get PT, IMO, otherwise he's just the finesse version of Eddy Curry. He is quite polished on offense, though.

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He had Yao on a string in that he got him to bite on the fake, but drawing the foul was an iffier proposition than the point blank jump hook. Jefferson would have had to jump away from the basket a bit to draw the contact, and the shot he got for himself was money in the bank. There are certainly other times where Jefferson doesn't do enough to draw contact, but he made the right choice in this instance. Al got himself a wide open shot from inside the restricted zone, right in front of the rim. It was more of a sure thing for that shot to go in than it was for the foul to be called.


I vehemently disagree with you, that foul was as guaranteed a call as you'll ever get in the NBA and the risk/reward favored trying to draw the contact.
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Post#63 » by KF10 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:08 am

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Needs to learn how to not suck terribly on D and as a rebounder to get PT, IMO, otherwise he's just the finesse version of Eddy Curry. He is quite polished on offense, though.



He is has shown flashes of being a dominant post defender...i.e. Hawes/Yao matchup and etc...IMO he needs to get more strength in the upper body to be successful in both offense and defense... But keep in mind he is only 19 yrs. old... Again, he has the best footwork in the NBA under 21 IMO...
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Post#64 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:12 am

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He is has shown flashes of being a dominant post defender...i.e. Hawes/Yao matchup and etc...IMO he needs to get more strength in the upper body to be successful in both offense and defense... But keep in mind he is only 19 yrs. old... Again, he has the best footwork in the NBA under 21 IMO...


Yeah, I can't think of anyone that age who has comparable footwork. His rebounding is really poor though and his defense is not good but yeah, 19.
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Post#65 » by KF10 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:36 am

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Yeah, I can't think of anyone that age who has comparable footwork. His rebounding is really poor though and his defense is not good but yeah, 19.


Yeah, agreed. But yeah his rebound/defense is ehh but it will improve IMO...He's 19...Pretty young...IIRC the 3rd youngest player in the NBA...
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Post#66 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:40 am

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Yeah, agreed. But yeah his rebound/defense is ehh but it will improve IMO...He's 19...Pretty young...IIRC the 3rd youngest player in the NBA...


Right, but he's not athletic, has a knee issue that required arthroscopic surgery and was never a good rebounder at any level, which is not promising. I'm not hopeful that he will become a significant rebounder but at least with him versus Curry, the defensive side of things may eventually improve and, also unlike Curry, his passing game is of particular interest, so we'll see. He is an intriguing prospect and most certainly belongs in this thread.
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Post#67 » by KF10 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:46 am

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Right, but he's not athletic, has a knee issue that required arthroscopic surgery and was never a good rebounder at any level, which is not promising. I'm not hopeful that he will become a significant rebounder but at least with him versus Curry, the defensive side of things may eventually improve and, also unlike Curry, his passing game is of particular interest, so we'll see. He is an intriguing prospect and most certainly belongs in this thread.


Yeah. As of right now he is to some extent a project and need couple of years to show his real game IMO...The biggest thing as Kings fans that we want Hawes to do is to build his upper body strength. Various of times he is getting push by normal centers due to a lack of strength... Regarding to the rebounds, he does show an understanding of boxing out...If Brad Miller is averaging close to 10 rebounds with average/above average athleticism, I believe Hawes could reach to that level to some extent... His understanding of the game is advance for his age...Great feel IMO...
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Post#68 » by tsherkin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 am

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Yeah. As of right now he is to some extent a project and need couple of years to show his real game IMO...The biggest thing as Kings fans that we want Hawes to do is to build his upper body strength. Various of times he is getting push by normal centers due to a lack of strength... Regarding to the rebounds, he does show an understanding of boxing out...If Brad Miller is averaging close to 10 rebounds with average/above average athleticism, I believe Hawes could reach to that level to some extent... His understanding of the game is advance for his age...Great feel IMO...


Yeah but Brad Miller's also a good 20 pounds heavier than Hawes and Miller was also an 8, 9 rpg player in college. More importantly, but for his sophomore season, he averaged 9+ rebounds per 36 in each year and 10.95 as a senior.

Hawes managed a per-36 rebounding average -0.42 below Miller's worst season (his sophomore season, when he averaged 1.26 fewer rebounds per 36 minutes than he did in his worst season besides that, his freshman year).

Hawes was a lot worse as a freshman on the glass than was Miller and that's not a promising sign for him in terms of upping his rebounding level at the NBA level; he's not got the athleticism, the natural size, or apparently the native rebounding instincts to be a significant rebounder at the 5.
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Post#69 » by cdcastellon1 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:43 pm

When i see "footwork" i only can remember a player who didnt go to NBA, Dejan Bodiroga

If anyone is a bit bored and have time to watch some real footwork, check these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIyWC8h56sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfCHwVWDHQI
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Post#70 » by Jemini80 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:30 pm

spencer hawes may have the best feet of anyone under 21, but certainly has the worst knees by far...it sucks that he will always be handcuffed by his knees.
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Post#71 » by Cruel_Ruin » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:57 pm

tsherkin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hawes was a lot worse as a freshman on the glass than was Miller and that's not a promising sign for him in terms of upping his rebounding level at the NBA level; he's not got the athleticism, the natural size, or apparently the native rebounding instincts to be a significant rebounder at the 5.


While true, you have to remember Hawes had that stomach virus for most of his Freshman campaign, which by the end of he was showing much more promising signs. I don't think he'll ever be a good rebounder, but Kings fans are hoping that he'll rebound enough to justify his presence on the floor.

Eddy Curry is a mediocre comparison because Hawes is a much better passer. Right now, he's more like a skinny Vlade Divac (well, we're hoping :pray: )

When i see "footwork" i only can remember a player who didnt go to NBA, Dejan Bodiroga

If anyone is a bit bored and have time to watch some real footwork, check these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIyWC8h56sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfCHwVWDHQI


What REALLY sucks is that the Kings have his draft rights, but he never came over :banghead: He could have been so great...
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Post#72 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:05 pm

That Stomach Virus did do a number on Hawes, it made him lose a lot of weight, I think he can be a good enough rebounder to not be a liability, and he will look terrific paired with an athletic defender.

He's like polar opposite of curry in terms of passing. I don't know what his numbers look like right now, but I know he is a terrific passer.
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