Official Trade Thread (update pg. 12 Haslem/Seattle)

[bucsmagicfan]

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Whether or not you like Arroyo, he puts a lot of butts on the seats.

How many people go to Magic games solely to see Arroyo? Maybe 50-100 per game? I guarantee you winning will more than make up for that loss. Arroyo's impact on ticket sales is vastly overplayed me thinks.

[theTHIEF]

50-100 per game?

BWAHAHAHAHA

thousands of PR fan show up...

[Versubio]

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How many people go to Magic games solely to see Arroyo? Maybe 50-100 per game? I guarantee you winning will more than make up for that loss. Arroyo's impact on ticket sales is vastly overplayed me thinks.

Just so that you know, there are more than half a million Puerto Ricans in Central Florida. Many of them love basketball, so you do the math.

[MagicStarwipe]

We will regret it in the long run if we choose Bogans over Redick.

[pikimagic]

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How many people go to Magic games solely to see Arroyo? Maybe 50-100 per game? I guarantee you winning will more than make up for that loss. Arroyo's impact on ticket sales is vastly overplayed me thinks.

dude lol there are so many puertoricans going to the games.......

[MJallday59]

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Oh, please no. I see nothing, absolutely nothing, I like about Jaric's game. Yes, he's tall. Career averages of 7.7 points and 3.9 assists. And when he gets the ball, he doesn't know what to do with it. And on top of that, he literally never has been on a team that was even close to being good. In his three seasons with the Clippers, they were: 27-55, 28-54 and 37-45. In his three seasons with the Timberwolves, they were/are: 33-49, 32-50 and 10-41 (and those first two seasons, Garnett was on the team). Plus, he was on that Eastern European national team that was at each other's throats.

In the end

Marko Jaric > Pat Garrity+Keith Bogans

Crazy thing is, I think he could win in a 2 vs 1 basketball game

[drsd]

For me, given how average (read: not terrible) Evans has been, and that Dooling is a fantastic comboguard off of the bench, Bogans simply has to go.

Arroyo, Bogans, and Garrity make what is for me the ideal package in any trade proposal.

Next year, the Magic are going to need a big-minutes SG off of the bench. There is every reason to think that that job is Redick's to win!

[Det the Threat]

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I'm sure he puts as many butts in the seats as WINNING does.

Let's try to trade for that guy.

Some bigs to help us acquire WINNING, and are probably attainable, could be:
1. Al Harrington
2. Chris Wilcox
3. Udonis Haslem
4. Chris Kaman
5. Kurt Thomas
6. Nick Collison
7. Joel Pryzbilla

The pieces you're offering won't net you Chris Wilcox or Nick Collison. They are also, in no way, would net you such a solid young center like Chris Kaman, who's playing out of his mind this season and establishing him as one of the better players at his position in this league. Udonis Haslem might be available for your tradeables, but only if you'd take on Mark Blount and his crappy contract. Joel Pryzbilla is really important to what the Blazers are able to do this year and would be really hard to pry away from Portland.

Though, Kurt Thomas could be available for your expirings, if you'd take on Watson or Ridnour as well. Or he could be available for a package including Redick, while the Sonics are sending 1 or 2 of their 2nd round selections(your choice out of the Nuggets, Blazers or Hornets/Rockets 2nd round pick) your way as well.

So i think this could be realistic:

Thomas, Watson for Arroyo, Dooling, Garrity, Augustine.
We would be open to buy out Dooling, if you'd send us some cash as well.

Thomas, 1 or 2 2nd round picks(Nuggets, Blazers) for Arroyo, Garrity, Redick

[MagicFan149]

as it is right now i believe that if there are no deals that knock otis's socks off hell make a small trade for someone like k.thomas.... we HAVE to have some interior muscle to go next to dwight for the playoffs... otis smith will not let this trade deadline pass without this or something like this happening.

[KingRobb02]

Why would we want Kurt Thomas? We aren't going to win anything this year, so our efforts would be ebtter served tryign to find a player who can help us for the next 5 years or so.

[laVal03]

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I'm sure he puts as many butts in the seats as WINNING does.

Let's try to trade for that guy.

Some bigs to help us acquire WINNING, and are probably attainable, could be:
1. Al Harrington
2. Chris Wilcox
3. Udonis Haslem
4. Chris Kaman
5. Kurt Thomas
6. Nick Collison
7. Joel Pryzbilla

Nellie loves Al Harrington and he fits there style very well...the trade that sent him and Jackson over there is what put them over the top (yes I think Jackson has been the bigger reason of the 2)

I don't see the clips letting K-man go for anything less than a bonafide superstar 7-0 centers of his nature don't come around too much and our expirings are not going to land him

Have you seen the monster year he is having??? No Way! He's young therefore I think they let go of elton brand b4 him

The rest of your list I would say are very attainable although I still think its a pipe dream that Riley lets Haslem come to his division rival with his ex coach

[Cammo101]

We will regret it in the long run if we choose Bogans over Redick.

Agreed. I'm pretty done with Bogans. And for the record, anyone who thinks we can get Kamen is nuts.

[Max Power]

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Just so that you know, there are more than half a million Puerto Ricans in Central Florida. Many of them love basketball, so you do the math.

Versubio, thats true, but not everyone can afford Magic tickets, and certainly not on a grand enough scale to really make that big of an impact on an NBA team. My guess is the die hard Puerto Rican fanbase brings in about 1500-2000 fans per game. Being a division champion and winning 50 games can easily make up for the loss of Carlos Arroyo. Even Puerto Rican fans can see he's not that great.

The Magic want to win, and if dropping Arroyo helps us get better than so be it...drop him.

[Versubio]

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Versubio, thats true, but not everyone can afford Magic tickets, and certainly not on a grand enough scale to really make that big of an impact on an NBA team. My guess is the die hard Puerto Rican fanbase brings in about 1500-2000 fans per game. Being a division champion and winning 50 games can easily make up for the loss of Carlos Arroyo. Even Puerto Rican fans can see he's not that great.

The Magic want to win, and if dropping Arroyo helps us get better than so be it...drop him.

I never said that the Magic shouldn't trade Carlos to improve the roster. I've been a Magic fan since 1994. However, some people here are taking for granted his impact on ticket sales for the team. I remember the morning after the trade was announced, 500 tickets where sold. Most of those were Puerto Ricans. I have friends who have traveled from Puerto Rico along with other people only to see Carlos play.

You guys gotta understand that he's a national hero to his people and the only established NBA player from the island. He's a star in FIBA competition with his national team. That alone makes Puerto Rican fans adore the guy.

[bucsmagicfan]

50-100 per game?

BWAHAHAHAHA

thousands of PR fan show up...

Thousands? I respectfully disagree. Either way, common sense says a better product (championship caliber team) will actually put more bodies in seats than Carlos Arroyo currently does. Common sense tells us that.

[MagicFan149]

are you saying that winning puts butts in seats??? that is a novel idea

[bucsmagicfan]

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I never said that the Magic shouldn't trade Carlos to improve the roster. I've been a Magic fan since 1994. However, some people here are taking for granted his impact on ticket sales for the team. I remember the morning after the trade was announced, 500 tickets where sold. Most of those were Puerto Ricans. I have friends who have traveled from Puerto Rico along with other people only to see Carlos play.

You guys gotta understand that he's a national hero to his people and the only established NBA player from the island. He's a star in FIBA competition with his national team. That alone makes Puerto Rican fans adore the guy.

I understand your point but those people that attended after the trade didnt buy season ticket packages, they just bought seats to the next game. I feel pretty confident in saying Carlos Arroyo probably hasnt sold too many season ticket packages and I think most of you are grossly overestimating his impact.

[Versubio]

are you saying that winning puts butts in seats??? that is a novel idea

[bucsmagicfan]

are you saying that winning puts butts in seats??? that is a novel idea

Not trying to be novel, just the voice of reason. If we put a championship caliber team on the court, we sell out the arena with or without Arroyo....but obviously I dont need to tell you that.

[MagicFan149]

i know i was agreeing with ya