Trade could fail; Is this the wakeup call Harris needs?

[your_dallas_mavericks]

How interesting this whole thing is...

We try to make a move for Jason Kidd.

George balks at the trade because he can, not because he really needs to.

Stack shoots off his mouth about what will happen to him with being waived and re-signed after 30 days by the Mavs causing owners and GMs alike to cry collusion!

Harris taking it like a man just continued to do his rehab and move forward.

But...

This trade has a greater and greater chance of not going through with each passing moment.

If no trade occurred, would Harris get the message?

Ya know, the message that Cuban won't keep "employees" that don't do their job or cost too much (see Michael Finley).

Devin Harris should play motivated the rest of the season into the playoffs.

He should become the feel-good story of the year, surpassing Kobe's pinkie finger for prime air time.

Diop and George now have a chip too, and they are expirings. They have a lot more to prove. Maybe these guys step it up also.

Forget the Brick House Ager. Nothing there but a whole bunch of air balls.

My point is in closing that Harris responds to motivational tactics. I believe he takes this as motivation, that he has a perrennial chip on his shoulder now. This trade looks like it will fail and not happen at all. Does Harris takes this as a wakeup call and allows himself to be motivated with a chip on his shoulder to show the world how complete of a player he is?

I do. What's your thoughts on this?

[dirkforpres]

My thoughts are Kidd isnt coming. I wouldnt say anyones safe though, cause we are obviously looking to trade and I would expect a move before the deadline.

[DDansby123]

Harris doesn't need a wakeup call. He is what he is. Avery's already taken back the playcalling from him, so if he needed any kind of wakeup call, that would've been it.

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Harris doesn't need a wakeup call. He is what he is. Avery's already taken back the playcalling from him, so if he needed any kind of wakeup call, that would've been it.

true, but that was not as drastic as this. He needed his whole reality to be uprooted and completely shaken.

[DDansby123]

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true, but that was not as drastic as this. He needed his whole reality to be uprooted and completely shaken.

Does Harris strike you as the mentally tough type of player who would take being "uprooted and completely shaken" and use it as motivation? Given how so many here (myself included, for awhile atleast) argued that Harris was screwed over mentally by Nellie and now Avery, I don't see how we can now expect him to take this jolt and significantly improve this season. I still think the deal goes through, though.

v As for Diop, I put him in the same category. I'm not certain of this, but it seems to me Diop's mentally weak. I think he's more likely to take this as a personal blow and get his feelings hurt than anything. If the deal falls through, I wouldn't be surprised to see Avery insert Diop into the starting lineup at some point to counter that. But he won't do it if Damp plays well.

[JD45]

It might motivate Diop.

It shouldn't make much difference to Harris. He has a long contract, so he has plenty of time to get over it. I also think Avery did not want to trade, so that will make it easy for the players to be fine staying with the Mavs.

[captainrebel]

This is really funny. I was thinking after George balked...what if Cavs or Lakers got inot the fray and somehow made a better offer for Kidd? Now it seem like this deal is going to take more turns than the indy 500 before it actually happens

[Teffer10]

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Does Harris strike you as the mentally tough type of player who would take being "uprooted and completely shaken" and use it as motivation? Given how so many here (myself included, for awhile atleast) argued that Harris was screwed over mentally by Nellie and now Avery, I don't see how we can now expect him to take this jolt and significantly improve this season. I still think the deal goes through, though.

v As for Diop, I put him in the same category. I'm not certain of this, but it seems to me Diop's mentally weak. I think he's more likely to take this as a personal blow and get his feelings hurt than anything. If the deal falls through, I wouldn't be surprised to see Avery insert Diop into the starting lineup at some point to counter that. But he won't do it if Damp plays well.

I agree...Mavs should still consider trading Harris but why not turn our focus on Hinrich and Wallace.
Although not at Kidd's level, Hinrich does show signs of becoming another Nash and is not a fossil.

Any idea what we could offer Chicago in return? Obviously, Harris and Diop, but who else or do we even want to go that path. I don't think Harris will ever heal (mentally) as a Mav after this.

[HMFFL]

Easy to say Devin can be motivated by this, but it may hurt his confidence, and all professional athletes have a ego. Devin's shot might not fall no matter if he's playing for Dallas or New Jersey.

[Pointguard01]

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I agree...Mavs should still consider trading Harris but why not turn our focus on Hinrich and Wallace.
Although not at Kidd's level, Hinrich does show signs of becoming another Nash and is not a fossil.

Any idea what we could offer Chicago in return? Obviously, Harris and Diop, but who else or do we even want to go that path. I don't think Harris will ever heal (mentally) as a Mav after this.

You're kidding right?

If Devin got the minutes that Hinrich usually gets to average his 6.5 assist a game, Devin would be right up there with him and there would be no argument about it.

Devin has passed Hinrich and Dampier > Wallace.



As far as Devin being motivated to do more, I dont find that the case. Devin has been great this season. Pretty much the only way he gets to the next level is on another team or with Jason Terry traded. Until then, Harris will be a 15-5 guy.

[HMFFL]

Hinrich and Wallace is pretty laughable. We already have two shot blockers at the 5, not the best, but far from being the worse. Trading for those two closes the window on any championship hopes over the next three years.

Hinrich doesn't even come close to having the court vision Steve Nash or Jason Kidd have.

[SpeedyG]

It's possible. Tony Parker attributes some of his improvement due to the Spurs looking to add Kidd the year after the Spurs beat the Nets in the Finals.

He was motivated by the team looking to replace him, and improved on his game because of it.

[Teffer10]

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You're kidding right?

If Devin got the minutes that Hinrich usually gets to average his 6.5 assist a game, Devin would be right up there with him and there would be no argument about it.

Devin has passed Hinrich and Dampier > Wallace.



As far as Devin being motivated to do more, I dont find that the case. Devin has been great this season. Pretty much the only way he gets to the next level is on another team or with Jason Terry traded. Until then, Harris will be a 15-5 guy.

This is more about salvaging the mess that we have created for ourselves than anything. Harris is probably washed up as a Mav unless they find a way to deal Terry in the next few days. If not, we better have a backup plan so I agree with you on that note. If Kidd is out of the question, the Mavs better do something.

Hinrich doesn't have a Dirk to pass the ball to so his assists would probably go up with the Mavs. He also looks more like a true PG than Harris imo.
And BTW, what does Damp have to do with anything?
Wallace>Diop

[Teffer10]

Hinrich and Wallace is pretty laughable. We already have two shot blockers at the 5, not the best, but far from being the worse. Trading for those two closes the window on any championship hopes over the next three years.

Hinrich doesn't even come close to having the court vision Steve Nash or Jason Kidd have.

A week ago I would have agreed with most of this but Diop and Devin will probably take a step back the rest of this season. I'm not comparing Hinrich to Nash or Kidd but feel that he would be able to give us more of what we need now than Devin under these circumstances. All that I'm saying is that if the Kidd deal falls through, we better have a plan to get another PG on this team and Hinrich isn't that bad. Especially when you consider that he hasn't had any great star skill players to go to like Dirk.
If we don't make any moves now, I say that our window has completely closed.

[HMFFL]

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A week ago I would have agreed with most of this but Diop and Devin will probably take a step back the rest of this season. I'm not comparing Hinrich to Nash or Kidd but feel that he would be able to give us more of what we need now than Devin under these circumstances. All that I'm saying is that if the Kidd deal falls through, we better have a plan to get another PG on this team and Hinrich isn't that bad. Especially when you consider that he hasn't had any great star skill players to go to like Dirk.
If we don't make any moves now, I say that our window has completely closed.

Not exactly saying much about Diop when he makes so many mistakes already and provides us with nothing on offense. If this causes Devin to take a step back, I don't see why he needs to be our future 1 anyway, because every player needs to be able to handle the business side of things. I'd like to think Devin is stronger and the professional I know he is.

[JES12]

Harris? Harris has been playing fine. But I think this entire team had a wakeup call.