I think it is OVER. What's Next?

[S.I.C. GM]

I think this deal is going to fall through.

Cock George and Shut your StackMouth Up! has killed this deal.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152008/sp ... _97682.htm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

What a bunch of IDIOTS!!!!!!

What is Next?

[dacher]

FUBAR

I've never seen something so ridiculous (NBA trade wise).

[Netaman]

I don't think this kills it. This happens all of the time. Stackhouse shouldn't have said anything, but it happens all of the time. We will see what happens but there is no question Cuban has **** the bed on this one in more then one way.

Honestly keeping Kidd wouldn't be the worst thing in world. Harris a nice piece but not a difference maker. Plus he ain't exactly cheap (10 million starting next year). Kidd is still one of the best PGs in the league and his contract only has 2 years left. I don't think there would be another team out there who would trade for Kidd, and I don't think Thorn is going to accept a deal worse then this one just to appease him (mike miller, jermaine o'neal). If the trade falls through I see Thorn working hard to make a few deals around Kidd to make it look like we are still competing this year and then trading him off in the summer for a similar return to what we have lined up right now.

[Netaman]

FUBAR

I've never seen something so ridiculous (NBA trade wise).

I still think Gasol was worse. Memphis simply let him go for nothing. They didn't even clear bad cap space (cardinal). Getting rid of a guy who is worth what you pay him is not saving cap space it is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[Jordan45822]

Try to win with Kidd till the offseason when they start trade talks over again.

PS: I wouldn't call this trade over by a longshot IMO. KVH can replace Stackhouse and George, Cuban would accept Stack not returning back in the end, DG can change his mind, or Stack gets replaced by Hassell + KVH and George accepts, or Hassell and KVH replace both DG & JS, a third team could be willing to help both. I think this thing will go into 3:00 PM ET next Thursday.

[Rich Rane]

It's an either/or on JO/Mike Miller here. I see no way we can get both.

[Rich Rane]

PS: I wouldn't call this trade over by a longshot IMO. KVH can replace Stackhouse and George,

How much luxury tax will Cuban end up paying?

Cuban would accept Stack not returning back in the end,

I think that in itself is a longshot.

DG can change his mind,

That guy is staying put with a made-up mind. I don't see him changing his stance for the good of the Mavs or the team. He's looking out for himself. After looking at it over and over again, who could blame him?

or Stack gets replaced by Hassell + KVH and George accepts, or Hassell and KVH replace both DG & JS,

I doubt Thorn goes after Hassel because he's not an expiring. No way Ratner, a business over basketball owner, would support that.

a third team could be willing to help both. I think this thing will go into 3:00 PM ET next Thursday.

This might be the last resort and may be used.

[S.I.C. GM]

FUBAR

I've never seen something so ridiculous (NBA trade wise).

I agree. These guys are suppose to be veterans. Come On. You guys are WAY better then that!!!

George as stupid as it may seem. I can understand, but he is still an idiot.

But Stack. You are just a staight upt IDIOT!

[S.I.C. GM]

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This might be the last resort and may be used.

Totally agree with Rich.

All those are What-IFs.

[Adam1221]

Bah very very stupid from them I agree( Im still neutral on the Kidd deal but those guys showed nothing more than stupidity).
Anyway 1) The deal isnt dead yet and 2)If the deal aint going down we HAVE TO call up Memphis and get that Noki+Jamal for Miller deal going.

[deviljets7]

If Stack was staying in DAL, then I think it's possible Thorn would take Hassell. Hassell is probably less money than Stackhouse (even after taking the buyout into account).

[Rich Rane]

If Stack was staying in DAL, then I think it's possible Thorn would take Hassell. Hassell is probably less money than Stackhouse (even after taking the buyout into account).

Hassel's owed $13 million by the end of his contract. No way Ratner pays any amount near that.

[Netaman]

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Hassel's owed $13 million by the end of his contract. No way Ratner pays any amount near that.

Wasnt Stackhouse owed somewhere in the same vicinity?

[Rich Rane]

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Wasnt Stackhouse owed somewhere in the same vicinity?

$6,750,000 according to hoopshype.

[daddyfivestar]

George is not an idiot at all. It's not like teams are going to be knocking each other down to get him, the S&T leverage is all he has.
Why give that up for 14 mins a night in NJ?

[Netaman]

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$6,750,000 according to hoopshype.

That is his salary but he has 3 years remaining on it. I know the remaining years would be dead money on our cap if we bought him out, but who would have to pay it? I know Dallas was probably going to work something out with Stackhouse, but I think we were going to end up on the hook for some of it. At best it was all going to be against our cap so the way I see it we might need to pay out a few million more to Hassel, but we would get a player over that period of time and we would have less against our cap. It would be worse for Ratner to pay but better for the team IMO.

[Rich Rane]

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That is his salary but he has 3 years remaining on it. I know the remaining years would be dead money on our cap if we bought him out, but who would have to pay it? I know Dallas was probably going to work something out with Stackhouse, but I think we were going to end up on the hook for some of it. At best it was all going to be against our cap so the way I see it we might need to pay out a few million more to Hassel, but we would get a player over that period of time and we would have less against our cap. It would be worse for Ratner to pay but better for the team IMO.

Wait, what? I was under the impression Stackhouse was an expiring.

[Netaman]

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Wait, what? I was under the impression Stackhouse was an expiring.

Nope. There was an article posted earlier by a Mavs fan (i think on the stickied thread around page 13 if not in the mavs forum) that documented exactly how much would count against our cap for the remaining years after the buyout. I know for a fact though on ESPN they have Stackhouse signed for 3 more years.

The effect of the article was that it was a bad deal for us originally because of the fact that we would only save 11 of Kidds 20 mil this year and then thanks to stackhouses dead money and Harris pay raise to 10 mil/year it wasn't going to save us much money long term.

[Netaman]

From the Article:

For one, while grabbing the expiring deals of Devean George and Diop helps, taking on Jerry Stackhouse for about $7.5 million in 2009 and $8.2 million in 2010 doesn't really help the bottom line for a club that is obviously rebuilding. And this team is really, really rebuilding: Dave D reports that Richard Jefferson might be the next to go.

Worse, if the team had bought Stack out as expected, they couldn't use his potentially expiring deal in 2009-10 to facilitate any other trades. He'd just be a contract, not contributing to the team (not that the Nets would want him), working against the team's salary cap, and outside of currying favor with Stack's agent (Jeff Schwartz, also Jason Kidd's agent), I don't really see the point.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/nba_ex ... ba%2C66862

[MrDollarBills]

Unless George is planning on convincing a team to Sign and Trade him to a FIBA team, i don't see what his bird rights have to do with anything!!