Start Carlos Arroyo Already!!!

[craig01]

That's a looooooong paragraph^^^^^^^^^^^

Start Nelson, sit Arroyo, then start Arroyo and sit Nelson, then start Nelson and sit Arroyo...........

Does it really matter who is starting if neither player is capable of keeping the job?

[OrlandoMagic]

this thread when started out was a joke right?

[Last Guardian]

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When Arroyo has started for the Magic he has done a great job distributing the ball and limiting his shots to wide open jumpers and maybe forced a few drives to the basket but just because the shot clock was running down and he had to create.

He does a horrible job distributing the ball. He is a low assist guy, Van Gundys words not mine. He makes unneccesary flashy passes that rarely work. He can't break down defense because his very slow for a guard. How can you be a good point guard and not be able to break down a defense.

Meanwhile Jameer is ALWAYS lost in the offense and he frequently goes to drive the basket early in the shot clock, not even knowing where his shooters are.

SVG wants this team to play a little up tempo. Jameer pushes the ball. Its a point guards job to put pressure on the defense. Funny how Jameer doesn't know where his shooters are even though he finds them far more often than Arroyo does. Just watch games. Wonder why Arroyo is rotting on the bench right now.

jumps as if to take a jumper but in the air tries to find a teammate and makes some stupid decisions. I was in the Denver game last Wednesday and he got lucky a few times driving the basket because Marcus hesitated for the block since Jameer was driving a step to the basket then stopped, then two steps forward, then stopped, then a step back and then full throttle to the basket and made a layup (which is not bad), but he clearly didn't knew what offense he was running (maybe it was called: "Meer hesitation to the Hole").

Arroyo often runs the play "Arroyo shoot after Dwight screen" or "Arroyo shoot when Arroyo get ball". He can't attack the basket and if by some stroke luck he gets by his defender, he gets his shot sent back. What you just explained is Jameer being able to AVOID the best shotblocker in the league. Arroyo couldn't avoid Pat Garrity if he had to. Arroyo simply does too many stupid things when he gets the ball.

ameer is the answer and the Magic are 2-2 with him in the lineup, while they were 7-2 with Carlos (in the last 13 games the Magic have played). I don't care whether we beat the Grizzlies or the Nuggets, a WIN is a WIN and a loss is a loss.

Doesn't matter. Carlos had no effect on the team. He was just out there. Hedo was out of his mind, thats pretty much the reason. Carlos and his low assists and low FG% didn't make the team go 7-2. Hedos 24ppg, 6apg over 50% shooting is what made the team win. Its a bad argument because you aren't respecting the rest of the team, and just pointing at Carlos as the reason for winning. It was Hedo, and even Dooling outplayed Arroyo. Which is why Dooling right now is the backup and Carlos can't sniff the court.

be really disappointed with the Magic if they get rid of Carlos thinking Jameer holds their future. I think Otis know he committed a big mistake when giving Meer that contract, and I think he is just playing the cards he is forced to play. And if Hedo is running the offense late in games is because Stan wants him to, not because Carlos, Jameer or Keyon aren't capable of doing it; besides, it has proven to be a success to give Hero Turkouglu the ball late in games and let him create off the dribble with a high pick and roll from D12. Let's just hope Meer goes back to the bench and Carlos gets back in the rotation which will hopefully lead us to a 53-29 record, or stay with Meer as the starting PG and watch us fall to 47-35; which will be the difference between the third and the fourth seed in the East!

What would be disappointing is if Carlos got another minute this season. He belongs with Redick. Lets all hope Carlos stays on the bench with limited minutes at best. Its for the best of the team, thats why SVG is done with him. And its why the Pistons were done with him, and Sloan was done with him. Stop it arroyo lovers, he just isn't that good. Maybe for PR he is good but the NBA, no one cares for his game.

[Last Guardian]

That's a looooooong paragraph^^^^^^^^^^^

Start Nelson, sit Arroyo, then start Arroyo and sit Nelson, then start Nelson and sit Arroyo...........

Does it really matter who is starting if neither player is capable of keeping the job?

lol, Nelson only sits when he is injured. Those are the only times he has gone to the bench.

[Max Power]

Man, this argument is so tired, but what the hell, I am bored and got nothing better to do.

Arroyo started against crap teams, so of course the Magic looked unbeleivable, thanks to Dwight, Hedo and Shard anyway.

The last time an Arroyo lead offense spawned any sort of real flow was in Puerto Rico, thats because Arroyo gets the ball on the inbound and the rest of those YMCA hacks he plays with move the hell out of the way.

He holds the ball way too long and takes bad shots, I'm pretty sure Stephen Hawking plays better defense.

Jameer has had his issues, no question. I've hoped we could bring in Jason Kidd to tutor him but thats a pipe dream. But who's gone through a hellish a year as Jameer Nelson has off the court?

Jameer is a warrior, he's trying to be a leader, and trying to improve, and I respect that. I still have hope that he can be an effective pg for us and reach that balance of efficient distributor and scoring threat.

I still stand by my theory that he should drop some of that muscle, and take advantage of some natural speed.

[knappy]

I don't care how much you people hate him but the fact is when he started we won about 9 of 10 of our games. Ever since Nelson has come back we have went only 2 and 3. Overall Carlos is just a better PG. He knows how to run a offense and give it to the players when they need it to make the best play possible. Nelson runs around like a lose cannon and when he jumps near the basket gets caught in the air and then has to do an emergency kick out cuz he dont know where the hell to go and ends up turning it over.

I'm all for starting Carlos .....

on another team

[Furinkazan]

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I'm all for starting Carlos .....

on another team

[knappy]

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What would be disappointing is if Carlos got another minute this season. He belongs with Redick. Lets all hope Carlos stays on the bench with limited minutes at best. Its for the best of the team, thats why SVG is done with him. And its why the Pistons were done with him, and Sloan was done with him. Stop it arroyo lovers, he just isn't that good. Maybe for PR he is good but the NBA, no one cares for his game.

Solid Snake - I liked your post - but that is downright mean saying Arroyo couldn't get by Pat Garrity - a great laugh though

[MagicFan149]

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I'm all for starting Carlos .....

on another team

definately the funniest thing i ve read all day... a

[mhectorgato]

I'm all for starting Carlos .....

on another team

Detroit in the playoffs, perhaps?

[MagicMadness]

The last time an Arroyo lead offense spawned any sort of real flow was in Puerto Rico, thats because Arroyo gets the ball on the inbound and the rest of those YMCA hacks he plays with move the hell out of the way.

Again, hate to get into yet another played out Arroyo/Nelson debate, but the above quote is how I always felt about Carlos.

He's basically the PR team stud because he plays with guys who couldn't cut it in the NBA.

[mattyBoi]

Anyone who thinks carlos arroyo is better than jameer...

Actually anyone who thinks Arroyo is better than anyone, should be banned for mental instability.

[kickerboy10]

And now i love how people are downing the Puerto Rico team when they beat the U.S. a few years back... That team isn't filled with a bunch of scrubs if you all actually watched the game...

[MagicMadness]

And now i love how people are downing the Puerto Rico team when they beat the U.S. a few years back... That team isn't filled with a bunch of scrubs if you all actually watched the game...

They beat a badly put together U.S. team ONCE.

No offense, but Puerto Rico will cherish that victory for years, if not decades, while the U.S. has basically tossed the loss off as being part of a very dissapointing Olympic tourney.

Them beating the U.S. was kind of like our Miracle on Ice hockey win over the Soviet Union in 1980.

Except it wasn't as devastating to the losing team.

[314gmASTERmind]

We have three great backups at PG. The magic should feel free to trade any of them to get a real starting point guards. Dont really care who goes.

[maginno]

Arroyo has had his moments. No sense hating. So has Jameer. The truth?

Jameer, Arroyo, JJ Evans and ALL our guards should be shopped as options in a deal to get another solid player (preferably big). We wouldn't die if Arroyo were to take Jameer's place on a roster or vice-a-versa and no matter what SG we lost it would be no big deal to have the other.

I know some of you will cry for Evans but he's not that special just seems so because of our other guards. As for JJ well...would have loved to have seen him flourish here but it ain't happening so I'd just as well see him getting some minutes elsewhere.

Our need for a big (even after Battie is better next year) outweighs any of those players worth

[MagicFan3]

Arroyo sucks just as much as Jameer on defense, and Jameer is the better offensive player and is more willing to give the ball up. It makes sense to start Jameer out of what we have right now. The problem is, that says nothing because what we have now really sucks.

[Last Guardian]

We have three great backups at PG. The magic should feel free to trade any of them to get a real starting point guards. Dont really care who goes.

So another team would be willing to trade a starting PG for a backup......

[craig01]

Arroyo has had his moments. No sense hating. So has Jameer. The truth?

Jameer, Arroyo, JJ Evans and ALL our guards should be shopped as options in a deal to get another solid player (preferably big).


Our need for a big (even after Battie is better next year) outweighs any of those players worth

Couldn't agree more.

[arroyo.com]

arroyo in utha

28 MPG

12.6 PPG
2.6 RPG
5.0 APG

NELSON WHITH 28 MINUTES IN ORLANDO

14.6 PPG
2.9 RPG
4.9 ASP

I DONT SEE TO MUCH DIFERENCE HERE