TRADE: Kidd to Mavericks (ALL POSTS HERE!!!!)

[Netaman]

PS you cant be upset at George the guy's just looking for himself he wants money and you cant blame him.

The guy asked Dallas management for a trade just a few weeks ago. If anything he is getting less money by not going to NJ and becoming an UFA. He is jerking 2 organizations, millions of fans, and his own teammates around for his own selfish reasons, whatever they may be. I think blaming him is allowed.

[Adam1221]

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The guy asked Dallas management for a trade just a few weeks ago. If anything he is getting less money by not going to NJ and becoming an UFA. He is jerking 2 organizations, millions of fans, and his own teammates around for his own selfish reasons, whatever they may be. I think blaming him is allowed.

No its not, the guy wants money everyone does this is a buisness and you gotta take care for number one and besides he's just listening to his agent if youre gonna get mad at anyone it should be his agent not him.

[Rich Rane]

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No its not, the guy wants money everyone does this is a buisness and you gotta take care for number one and besides he's just listening to his agent if youre gonna get mad at anyone it should be his agent not him.

Why? The guy was just doing his job and looking out for his client. Blame Cuban for assuming George would not exercise his no-trade clause.

[Netaman]

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No its not, the guy wants money everyone does this is a buisness and you gotta take care for number one and besides he's just listening to his agent if youre gonna get mad at anyone it should be his agent not him.

I agree about looking out for number 1, my point was that I don't think he is gaining himself any money with the whole ordeal. I also think it is pretty weak since he asked the Mavs to trade him just a few weeks ago. I personally think he is just being shortsighted since the Mavs have been playing 3 men down and now he is getting some playing time. Not only that he is totally overestimating himself if he thinks he is getting anyones full MLE.

[Adam1221]

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Why? The guy was just doing his job and looking out for his client. Blame Cuban for assuming George would not exercise his no-trade clause.

Well that should be blamed for whoever broke this story out to the public before it was finished everyone thought it was a done deal (including the Nets) only to learn that it wasnt.
What ended happening was that we gained a L, nothing more.

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I agree about looking out for number 1, my point was that I don't think he is gaining himself any money with the whole ordeal. I also think it is pretty weak since he asked the Mavs to trade him just a few weeks ago. I personally think he is just being shortsighted since the Mavs have been playing 3 men down and now he is getting some playing time. Not only that he is totally overestimating himself if he thinks he is getting anyones full MLE.

Maybe youre right but again he's agent seems to think that he knows what's best only time will tell how it turns out for him.

[dacher]

I don't understand why he thinks he's losing money. He'll get whatever money he deserves.

If he can still produce, he can get part of any cap'ed team's MLE, right, or Vet's minimum, which is still a nice $800K chunk.

He's probably more worried he's going to get ZERO playing time under Frank... which, thinking about what's happened with some vets here, is probably a reasonable concern.

BLAME IT ON FRANK

[S.I.C. GM]

^ Yep Kidd is coming back.

He cant be upset with Thorn. Clearly, He needs to be upset with Stackhouse and George.

Kidd sorry buddy! Get back to work and PICK AND ROLL ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!!!!!

I am really sad here. This just means VC may not be traded. DAMN YOU GEORGE AND STACKHOUSE!!!!!!!!!

[Rich Rane]

I am really sad here. This just means VC may not be traded. DAMN YOU GEORGE AND STACKHOUSE!!!!!!!!!

Why? JO is still there.

[S.I.C. GM]

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Why? JO is still there.

hey Rich, you know i would do anything to get rid of VC, but if Kidd comes back JO doesnt help. Unless, he can play this season.

[deviljets7]

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No its not, the guy wants money everyone does this is a buisness and you gotta take care for number one and besides he's just listening to his agent if youre gonna get mad at anyone it should be his agent not him.

I can understand this argument, but when you ask for a trade two weeks earlier, like George did, than I really can't buy the argument.

[evie75]

What some people are failing to understand is that there is no financial incentive for George to block the trade. His Bird Rights are worthless if the Mavs aren't willing to use them to either re-sign him or use him in a sign and trade.

The chances of either happening are essentially zero.

[Twinkie defense]

George's stand does seem pretty silly - he makes $2.4 mil this year, which any team that wants can fit into their MLE over the summer. Is he expecting to make more than the MLE?

DD is reporting that there is another option which would send george to GSW and fit in Nellieball and restore some value while GSW sends us Patrick O'bryant.

As little value as Patrick has for GS, they have little incentive for helping Dallas land Kidd. The Warriors probably don't knock the Mavs out of the playoffs last year if they had Kidd, for instance. Devean George certainly doesn't change that.

Forget O'Bryant give the Nets Pietrus

That's even worse. The reason Pietrus hasn't been traded is because the Warriors need him in the rotation - if they let him go (without helping a rival in the process), they need to get an equally effective rotation player in return. They certainly aren't going to make the rotation even worse by swapping Pietrus for George.

Maybe if someone sends GS a first round pick, and doesn't detract from their rotation, they help a rival contend. Otherwise, where's the incentive?

I agree with a couple of the posters above, questioning the logic of the Nets buying out Stackhouse. What do you gain? The most money Dallas can send is $3 mil, which not only won't come close to Stack's buyout number - which, given historical precedent might be $13 mil - but those $13 mil are still going to go directly to the Nets cap number (proportionately) for the rest of this season and the next two seasons. It would be tantamount to trading $13 mil for $3 mil, and the $3 mil doesn't even go towards cap savings. Wouldn't the Nets just keep him, or at least try to trade him?

[JES12]

I agree about looking out for number 1, my point was that I don't think he is gaining himself any money with the whole ordeal. I also think it is pretty weak since he asked the Mavs to trade him just a few weeks ago. I personally think he is just being shortsighted since the Mavs have been playing 3 men down and now he is getting some playing time. Not only that he is totally overestimating himself if he thinks he is getting anyones full MLE.

He didn't ask for a trade. He asked for less DNP-coaches decisions and more playing time. Then he followed by saying that he would be open to allowing a trade.

He NEVER asked to be traded.

And quite honestly, I don't blame him as our most effective lineup last year was Harris - Howard - George - Dirk - Diop. He has deserved to start all year and just recently started getting PT.

[Twinkie defense]

One word on ESPNs latest report may explain everything about the rumored Stack back to Dallas: "waived."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183

Mavs trade Stack to Jersey, Jersey waives Stack, Mavs claim Stack (and his full contract) off waivers... and Nets get to use Stack's salary for matching purposes, but don't have to either take on his salary or pay a fat buyout.

Yep, that's definitely circumvention.

So if the Nets really only wanted to use Stack's salary for matching purposes, but didn't intend to either keep him (and his ~$18 mil salary) or buy him out (which wouldn't make a lot of sense), I don't see how Stack (and maybe George) will be a part of the deal if it comes to fruition.

In fact even the KVH option is less appealing for New Jersey, since they'd still be on the hook for around $4 mil for the remainder of this season in order to match salaries without Stack and George.

[Adam1221]

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/2 ... ition.html

Kidd seems to be cool with the dwelding odds of this trade.
I think he knows that Rod tryed and that he probably wont stay here in the summer.

[dacher]

I want the trade to happen and see what Kidd can do out West at his current performance level. But I'm not sorry if it doesn't happen. We get the enjoy one last playoff run with Kidd.

Kidd'll be cool on the court. His problems off the court have never changed what he does on the court. And with Boone and Sean and Krstic back, and VC getting his game back for the 2nd half push, I think we'll see some great play and playmaking out of Kidd.



It probably flatters his ego all the attention he's getting, and the sweet offer Dallas made. Kidd has never been low maintenance off the court. I'm sure his teammates and coaches know that and understand Kidd's psyche at age 35. The Nets will welcome him back.

35 in NBA years is like 65 in normal career years ... it's almost over. (Remember all the naysayers when Kidd got signed to his current contract saying how Kidd would be a finished old man by the end of this contract, and prime RJ and VC would be carrying him and the team?)

[SpeedyG]

The Nets will welcome him back.

From all the interviews of the Nets players, it sounded as if they never let him go in the first place lol. If the deal doesn't fall through, this team will have no problems re-integrating Kidd.

IMO, it's Dallas that now has the incentive to get this deal done. I think the ramifications of this deal not going through is much larger for them than it is for the Nets.

[Adam1221]

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From all the interviews of the Nets players, it sounded as if they never let him go in the first place lol. If the deal doesn't fall through, this team will have no problems re-integrating Kidd.

IMO, it's Dallas that now has the incentive to get this deal done. I think the ramifications of this deal not going through is much larger for them than it is for the Nets.

Yeah no doubt about that the locker room morale will be much better here than in Dallas if the deal falls.
Aside from a maybe a little bit of animosity between Vince and Kidd(which both deny) everyone likes each other here.

Anyway now that its official that Sac's out of the deal the only remaining option is KVH good? bad? that really depends, its definately a HUGE negetive for Dallas.

[Cruzeirao]

The Nets-Mavs deal just gets curiouser and curiouser. TNT

[Serpo]

first Aaron McKie and now possibly Vernon Maxwell and KvH .

Dawn of the Dead ....