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Post#21 » by Realmavsman » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:09 pm

JKiddy wrote:RealMavsMan,

Are you getting on the top 50 players ever to play the game? (some might say top 55 or 60). Are you getting that player when he can still pretty much average a triple double a game? Does he give you a better shot at the title in the next 2-3 years with your window closing slightly each day? What in god's name are you talking about?

Please explain.


What is hard to understand? The deal won't work as it was agreed because Devin George won't agree. So if both sides want to make the deal happen anyway then both sides should give a little to make it happen. Why should Cuban be the only one who has to give up more to make it happen? N.J. was getting a sweetheart deal. They were getting more than I think they deserved as the original deal was agreed. Now that that deal won't work out you are asking Cuban and the Mavs to give even more by having to keep Devin Georges expense and then add on KVHs expense at double (because of salary cap) whatever it would take. How about N.J. give up the 3 million cash part to offset some of that cost? You act as if any amount to give up to get Jason Kidd is worth it and that is not true.

And doing this trade is a big risk to take for 35 yr old Jason Kidd. Even if he is one of the greatest 50 players of all time. His window is very short and everyone knows it.
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Post#22 » by Rich Rane » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:17 pm

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What is hard to understand? The deal won't work as it was agreed because Devin George won't agree. So if both sides want to make the deal happen anyway then both sides should give a little to make it happen. Why should Cuban be the only one who has to give up more to make it happen? N.J. was getting a sweetheart deal. They were getting more than I think they deserved as the original deal was agreed. Now that that deal won't work out you are asking Cuban and the Mavs to give even more by having to keep Devin Georges expense and then add on KVHs expense at double (because of salary cap) whatever it would take. How about N.J. give up the 3 million cash part to offset some of that cost? You act as if any amount to give up to get Jason Kidd is worth it and that is not true.


Well one huge reaosn why Cuban is giving up "so much" is that you guys are matching Kidd's contract. What the hell's the point of us offering $3 million cash also when they would both offset?

And doing this trade is a big risk to take for 35 yr old Jason Kidd. Even if he is one of the greatest 50 players of all time. His window is very short and everyone knows it.


As far as I know, Dallas's objective is to win now. Getting Kidd is another step in that direction.
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Post#23 » by lurkingobeiscity » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:17 am

Why do people act like its a big deal for us to get a two year contract? We aren't hitting free agency this year. We are aiming for a couple years down the road when we already have young pieces in place.

KVH and Hassel are fine with me. It's Cuban's money and I don't see a price tag stopping him.
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Post#24 » by Netaman » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:30 am

lurkingobeiscity wrote:Why do people act like its a big deal for us to get a two year contract? We aren't hitting free agency this year. We are aiming for a couple years down the road when we already have young pieces in place.

KVH and Hassel are fine with me. It's Cuban's money and I don't see a price tag stopping him.


I agree. I think initially Cuban might not have agreed to it, but now that they have come this far, and basically run out of other alternatives, I think he is just going to buck up and go for it. He knows they aren't going to have too many chances anymore. Hell, with Kobe, Bynum, and Parker's injuries this is probably going to be their best chance to do anything.
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Post#25 » by deviljets7 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:54 am

lurkingobeiscity wrote:Why do people act like its a big deal for us to get a two year contract? We aren't hitting free agency this year. We are aiming for a couple years down the road when we already have young pieces in place.

KVH and Hassel are fine with me. It's Cuban's money and I don't see a price tag stopping him.


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Post#26 » by Realmavsman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:12 am

Rich Rane wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Well one huge reaosn why Cuban is giving up "so much" is that you guys are matching Kidd's contract. What the hell's the point of us offering $3 million cash also when they would both offset?


Do you even know what the original deal was? On top of all the players needed to make the contracts work, there were 2 first round draft choices and 3 million in cash going to the Nets. I did not say that N.J. should pay Cuban 3 million. I only said that N.J. should forgo the 3 million cash part of that deal to offset some of the extra cost for Cuban.

The 3 million in the original deal had nothing to do with matching the salaries. That would not be allowed under the rules. The 3 million was just some extra cash in the Nets owner's pocket to sweeten the deal.

So my point was that on top of the players needed to make the salaries work the Mavs are giving up 2 first rounders and 3 mil cash. So those are the areas that are negotiable. Not the salary matching part.
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Post#27 » by Rich Rane » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:03 pm

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Do you even know what the original deal was? On top of all the players needed to make the contracts work, there were 2 first round draft choices and 3 million in cash going to the Nets. I did not say that N.J. should pay Cuban 3 million. I only said that N.J. should forgo the 3 million cash part of that deal to offset some of the extra cost for Cuban.

The 3 million in the original deal had nothing to do with matching the salaries. That would not be allowed under the rules. The 3 million was just some extra cash in the Nets owner's pocket to sweeten the deal.

So my point was that on top of the players needed to make the salaries work the Mavs are giving up 2 first rounders and 3 mil cash. So those are the areas that are negotiable. Not the salary matching part.


Thanks for correcting me. I was going to look for this post when my friend told me that during last night's events. Hell, I don't know what you want me to say. I guess that 3 million was supposed to entice a buyout.

I still don't see how not trading for Kidd doesn't put you closer to a championship.

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